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DrLarry
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
Unusually on the beaded 1860 I have never found any serious date errors or corrections apart from one which has the 0 restamped that just about does it for my 1860 examples I would be very happy to see any examples you may have found or thoughts you might have had. There is one feature of them I have found interesting which is what appears to me to be two distinct legend stamps. Many of you have been clear enough to suggest this is nothing unusual but as I mentioned before it was sufficiently important to Wyon to have recut and hardened a different set presumably because of failures or is error in calculating the size when he forgot to take into account the F:D in his design. To me at least it seems interesting that an "OLD" curly based lettering finer in nature was replaced by a more "SOLID" squared off legend. These older bases can often be seen (I think) as remnants. I should add that all these examples above have been collected in the last 6 years since I started collecting and all have been purchased off E BAY so there will be more I am sure -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
this one appears to be an attempt to correct for a broken F -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
The E in REG and the E over P I showed earlier -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
Here are other examples of the I in BRITT Error . there is a lot of misalignment of the R and the I -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
the last few "unusuals " are obverse errors BB 1860 . The I of BRITT is replicated mistruck higher interestingly on some there are other letters also struck too high. the gap is pretty significant and the degree to which the inner circle is remodelled suggests this was done by a less proficient man or it was done in a hurry or both. The error associated with the E in REG has I am certain been recognised for many years but the multiple attempts to restamp it may have eventually resulted in the E over P I illustrated earlier. This would explain the large nob above the E and it is not difficult to see how the numerous correction would eventually meet giving the impression of the P ...just a though these images are all from the same coin -
Half pennies sometimes seem to be the poor relative of the Bronze world many of the errors I have started to list on the half penny variety thread. Some have been previously identified but I think there are others that are still to be found. I have started with my 1860's I admit to having at least two for my own desire to verify it as an error variety. But I am always happy to sell some for the charity.
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
1860 T over T in BRITT first T I will add these images tomorrow -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
T OVER T IN VICTORIA 1860 BEADED There are two T over T errors in the beaded obverses both show complete misplacement of the letter the T in Victoria seems to be more common than the T over T in BRITT ,. However that may well be more down to the clarity of the error . The T over T on the first and the second T in BRITT is harder to spot. these three examples illustrate the error nicely . -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
This one is a follow on of Reverse B subvariety HAIF in this the blockage of the L in HALF also occurs in the H with the bar missing and the A bar blocked Many of the letters are also blocked n the obverse and numerous breaks in the die occur especially through the O . It appears to one of the crooked 1 in the date group -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
double or triple D's 1860 beaded ; the first example is associated with significant remodelling of the inner circle done in many places to a very low standard. I noticed after I posted this that the C of Victoria has been completely moved and the scar exists of the previous C to the right. -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
1860 TWO TAILED R or RUDE R .......OR your choice of name perhaps suggest one I have had this one for a few years 1860 toothed . No die break around the R and the extension is has a smooth appearance it looks like the tail end of an R and there is a lot of confused recutting of the inner circle above it ...any suggestions I've only so far found one -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
E over P in REG Beaded Obverse 1860 half penny . Here is an interesting half penny from 1860 BEADED the example is not the best and the verifying second example lack credibility because it was buried and has therefore crystalised and I am always untrusting of what they show. But the original one found a few years back I feel is better if somewhat low in grade. Interestingly on both on the reverse there is a flaw in the N of Penny hard to explain other than a break in the die or the N being reversed ? is that possible. If interested I will image the whole coin ....I will have to load the second example later , the two below are from the same coin. I would think that the error may have been created by too high a restamp of the F once possible twice I am unsure what that protrusion is on the top the join appears to be continuous so perhaps a die break as in he F over P in HALF in the 61 -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
An interesting additional aspect to these toothed half pennies from 1860 is that the Stamp used to set the legend seem to have a number of difference. The P of PENNY for example has two types used for different reverses 1. has an "OPEN" P the other a 2. "CLOSED " P . I know that there have been comments about the letter stamps used in previous discussion but it is still of interest that when Wyon prepared the first set of legend stamps for the bronze series he had to prepare a second set. I know many will ask r say that it is in the hands of the preparer of these hardened steel stamps and why does it matter that there are minor variations. Of course it might not matter but then what does any of this exploration into old bits of metal. If it is there to be noticed then it is , in my opinion, of interest . I believe we have an OPEN P and a CLOSED P in the pennies so why not the half pennies. Of course this variation may be due to pressure used but to me the shape appears different one a restamp -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
I also have a F over F in two specimens of Reverse C 1860 toothed both show the same position of the F over the F so I assume we can find others ...a nice error this I hope you enjoy it too -
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DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
I thought I might start listing some of my half penny characters. It would be mice to have them listed so others might look see if we have matches . I am not going to argue that they are varieties they are anomalies and this would seem , to me at least, to be the best place to share them 1860 toothed 8 over 8 it is the rounded lighthouse type the A is over the older curly based A in HALF and there is a very clear error in the placement of the I in Victoria on the obverse I HOPE THIS INTERESTS SOME ...MANY THANKS -
Good Afternoon I would like your considered opinion on this "new" 1866 I have found. The date types are listed with 11 teeth 11.5 teeth and a wide date with 12 teeth BP1866 Aa;Ab and Ac respectively In Goulby . Would you be willing to search through your own 1866 pennies to see if we might find a verification. The date is clearly different from all the others mentioned notably the last 6 is High with an indent above and is very close to the first 6. Your KIND thoughts please
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Oh yes I have a few half pennies with 8's over 8's from 1860 61 and 62. Whilst they seem of little interest to many I am trying to discover how they fit into other legend errors often associated with them. It's for interest alone
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I can see no evidence of a repeat strike, if I view the 6 upside down (the six not myself) the tail appears to be slightly longer and something looks different . Silly question but do we know if the 9 and the 6 stamps are exactly the same? I wondered looking at it today if it might be larger the second six.
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Ok that's good then perhaps we can all look out for a second to verify it 66's seem a bit harder, than one would expect, to find I wonder if the figures for production are accurate. Thanks for the help and wisdom
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thank you I am happy to have spotted something different. Goulby shows three very different varieties in the most recent updates. But the second 6 is very differently placed .
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Good afternoon
On a separate matter I wonder if you can help me on the 1889 over 8 . I have 4 two of which have the very clear * as you show on your varieties page as sub variety S I have also a second type which has two clear elements of the 8 in the centre and a prong which extends from the tail of the 8 and clear shadowing on the left side. One of these almost uncirculated the other about VF. The position of the 8 is clearly different. I just wondered if you have seen this. It says in freeman that the a various types of 9 over 8 but have not seen the two illustrated.
Many thanks , Larry
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you may be correct perhaps I am misinterpreting the BP 1866 Aa
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yes the 1860 penny does have you say have many such errors but by 1866 we have only 3 date variations 4 including the BP 1866 B the 6 over 8 . These are just the listed variants apologies I only study them for the sake of completeness of the record the best to date seems to reference only the 4 mentioned. This then would appear to be a 5th of the 1866 variety. My eyes maybe are deceiving me I am old but 9 full teeth seem to be my count. These things are not too important they are just unusual and have to be recorded.
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I've uploaded the full area there are 9 full teeth and two half teeth to the middle of the ^ which is high and yes slightly rotated I am following the system outlined by M Goulby in his three examples there are 10 full teeth or 11
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but between the half of the first digit and the last is 9 sorry that was a slip up of my own making apologies there are only 10 taking into account the two half digits whereas there should normally be 10
