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Diaconis
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Sherlock Holmes has now received the Royal treatment, elementary design... which seems quite appropriate
https://coinsweekly.com/world-famous-detective-sherlock-holmes-to-be-commemorated-on-uk-coin/
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Can anyone shed more light on this article?
I can't figure out if the miscreants found the hoard themselves or stole it. It looks like they found it and failed to declare it.
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7 hours ago, Rob said:I think it is down to photographic quality. Spink's images are too saturated for my taste. As for the ebay listing, I too can produce lifeless images which don't bring out the finer detail. However, the surfaces in closeup look as they did on the original as far as I recall.
The listed item still has a spot of red wax on the reverse at 5pm between the V and inner circle. This is visible on the original images. The piece of crud at the edge of the rays was also present on the original. I'm happy it is the same coin.
Thanks for your considered opinion Rob and other information, greatly appreciated. In addition to the wax spot I also see many similarities however, for me, some of the differences seem a tad too extreme to put down to a lifeless image or poor photography though this can only be verified in hand.
Just as a footnote to all and to elaborate on my initial post. The coin has changed hands at least twice since 2016 so I’d like to make clear that in no way was I suggesting that the current seller was intending to deceive. I shall be more selective in my wording in future so as not to appear so dogmatic, maybe best I post during the daytime before Mr. Hyde visits🧟♂️🙂
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the mast is too flat here
more differences on the reverse.
Would you put this down to photographic quality or is there something to it?
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20 hours ago, Rob said:Why do you think it is a fake? Looks ok to me.
Rob, I bid on this coin in 2016 so I was interested to see it resurface. Why do I think it's fake? It seems to have lost relief detail and sharpness and tbh it doesn't look right - it even looks cast to me. Here are but a few examples on the obverse, see what you think:
Obv. ding missing on ebay example
Obv. Ebay example, Sword flattened, Bridge of nose missing, hair detail gone, groove above crown deeper.
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Here's a fake with pedigree. Someone has spent a great deal of time copying this half-ryal even down to the damage.
Provenance is exceptional:
Ex. Lord Stewartby, Spink 2016
Ex. Senior 1998
Ex. Lockett 1960 sold £7.10.0
Ex. P Carlyon-Britton 1937
Faking coins with provenance is disconcerting to say the least especially if the genuine article is not photographed.
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CNG Auction 111 offers some very interesting 360 degree views, below is an example. The edge view looking at Alexander's face is spectacular, talk about high relief.
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Rather ironic that the gentleman’s name is Richard Bird. One would have thought he’d be inclined to stay schtum.
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163677710506?ul_noapp=true
£215, 3 hours to go and he even says it's a 'restrike' which it's not.
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2 hours ago, 1949threepence said:Don't know, you could be right. But it was so dirt cheap I decided to buy it anyway. I note it is the wide date variety referred to earlier by @terrysoldpennies with the last 4 over a tooth. The only other 1944 I can find with a (supposed) bright finish was in the Crocker collection, and that too has the final 4 over a tooth. Same as Terry's on the previous page.
In hand I'm no further forward than with the pic above. Through the loupe it looks almost UNC in some parts, and more worn in others. Anomaly.
Pleased to say though I have managed to get 1945 and 1946 bright finishes relatively easily. Didn't take that much of a search. The 1945 one has got a few dark stains on the reverse (don't look like carbon spots). Maybe this is a tiny bit of hypo which splashed on to this coin, but otherwise didn't get the full treatment.
The mark on the arm looks to be the tab of a staple, perhaps not in direct contact with the coin, through paper maybe.
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31 minutes ago, Rob said:What is the coin?
thanks Rob,
it’s a James I laurel, mm trefoil. Originally mentioned as trefoil on ticket but later struck through and noted incorrectly as lis.
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On 4/9/2019 at 11:35 PM, Rob said:Patience. You need to find something matching the ticket info and the Bulletin listing. There is always a chance that the coin in question never made the Bulletin, especially if it was a good example with a ready buyer. The ticket in question has 45/- on it, but that would mean looking for other examples in the market between 1949 and 1959.
Rob,
I guess my ex. Carlyon-Britton didn’t make it to the Seaby bulletins, no matches in codes with descriptions , some descriptions matched down to mm but pricing was often out or code bore no resemblance. Couldn’t find a combined match. It’s also not a particularly good specimen that would indicate a ready buyer.
I’ll check C-B auction catalogues, father and son, could it have been handed down? P.W.P. C-B tickets are different and not sure if R.C cross-referenced inherited pieces on his tickets (as the Boyds), ‘No.XI 460’ perhaps? or more likely his own tray reference id.
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Surely coal fires and candles were instrumental in spotting many coins. Collectors of old poring over their collections by candle or lamplight in a room with a coal fire. All recipes for disaster. The soot particles from all those fossil fuels in in our collectors living room are a mix of metal oxides, minerals which may can be coated with weak sulphuric acid. Nutty slack and precious metals are not good bedfellows.
Regarding the coin in question, contamination must’ve occurred during slabbing. I’m not even sure if it is verdigris but the contaminant definitely contains a reactive agent all the same. Would be interesting to have it analysed.
I’d certainly crack it out of that slab and remove the offending object before it causes more damage. It’ll only get worse.🙈
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I understood carbon spots to be a misnomer as they are caused by sulphur deposits, car tyre dust, some old paper sources etc. Verdigris is produced by an acidic reaction, salts in wines, urine, sweat skin etc. Bearing in mind that Verdigris can turn black over time. Verdigris was made as a pigment in past times.
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Marleybob should also give her scales a good clean too, looks like she’s using them to weigh flour or some other white and powdery commodity.
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22 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:Just as an addition: the ESC numbers are yet a third hand - neither of the others uses a continental 7.
Very well spotted Holmes🧐
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25 minutes ago, will1976 said:@Diaconis just re checked the weight and it comes in at 3gm exactly. I'm a little confused now as the picture you included in your last post is an exact match
Will,
just sent you a PM
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4 hours ago, will1976 said:@Diaconis I will double check the weight once I get home tonight but I'm pretty certain it came in at 3 grams
The obverse denotes the coin to be weighed, the Gold 1 Real of std. wt 5.32 g.
Fonck made weights for English, Dutch, Portuguese, French coins, quite prolific.
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15 minutes ago, Diaconis said:12 hours ago, will1976 said:This was one of my purchases yesterday from my regular outings to the Malvern flea fair....
Antwerp coin/trade weight, 15x15mm weight of 3gm. I believe it dates from 1597 but I'm still checking up on that and the makers initials
There are so many of these who’s makers are unknown but I believe this
It’s a weight for a Dutch 1 Real / Keizers-real / Konings-reaal - (1521 - 1598) - goud - 5,3gr.
If you check the weight it should be 5.3gr??
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11 hours ago, will1976 said:This was one of my purchases yesterday from my regular outings to the Malvern flea fair....
Antwerp coin/trade weight, 15x15mm weight of 3gm. I believe it dates from 1597 but I'm still checking up on that and the makers initials
There are so many of these who’s makers are unknown but I believe this is Hans Fonck 1577-1603.
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On 4/16/2019 at 9:37 AM, rpeddie said:Do you have any pictures to Newark pieces with hallmarks on them?
Here's one from Scarborough with Leopard head (Nelson)
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14 minutes ago, JLS said:I concur - particularly like the custom large card boxes they ship multiple purchases in. The last one I got had a huge photo of a German New Guinea coin - almost more beautiful than what was inside !
Great aren't they.😀
It's the only auction house where I actually keep the packaging.
I think this is the packaging you are referring to?
A pound of packaging to ship a 5 gram shilling, quality.
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