Berries on a Victorian penny

[Sheencrofter]

I'm new to this forum and still fairly new to collecting.

I have the Spinks 2012 Coins of England book and have a queery about the Victorian pennies.

On pages 465 to 471 which show pictures of obverses and reverses I'm a bit confused.

Firstly it states on Obverse 2 there are 15 leaves and 4 berries. Can someone tell me where these berries are?

Secondly it states there is L.C.WYON, who I believe is the engraver, raised lower on base of bust. This I cannot see.

Can anyone help please?

[Accumulator]

I'm new to this forum and still fairly new to collecting.

I have the Spinks 2012 Coins of England book and have a queery about the Victorian pennies.

On pages 465 to 471 which show pictures of obverses and reverses I'm a bit confused.

Firstly it states on Obverse 2 there are 15 leaves and 4 berries. Can someone tell me where these berries are?

Secondly it states there is L.C.WYON, who I believe is the engraver, raised lower on base of bust. This I cannot see.

Can anyone help please?

The photograph reproduced from Spink doesn't really help you as the berries and L C Wyon are all but invisible! The 4 berries are in 2 pairs nested within the wreath leaves. The signature is in very small letters right on the base of the bust.

My photo of obverse 2 isn't great either, but my (very similar) obverse 3 shows these two features clearly:

Edited January 20, 2013 by Accumulator

[declanwmagee]

I'm new to this forum and still fairly new to collecting.

I have the Spinks 2012 Coins of England book and have a queery about the Victorian pennies.

On pages 465 to 471 which show pictures of obverses and reverses I'm a bit confused.

Firstly it states on Obverse 2 there are 15 leaves and 4 berries. Can someone tell me where these berries are?

Secondly it states there is L.C.WYON, who I believe is the engraver, raised lower on base of bust. This I cannot see.

Can anyone help please?

In at the deep end then, Sheencrofter!

[Sheencrofter]

Many thanks for that Accumulator. Very informative. I've taken a look at my Obverse 3 and see what you mean.

And yes, Declan. I do always pick on the hard stuff.I really don't know why. Life could be so much easier if I realised beforehand.

[azda]

Many thanks for that Accumulator. Very informative. I've taken a look at my Obverse 3 and see what you mean.

And yes, Declan. I do always pick on the hard stuff.I really don't know why. Life could be so much easier if I realised beforehand.

Then what would you have to learn? Knowing beforehand takes the fun out of learning,