1893 penny Broken 1 in date

[chris]

good day to all

have this penny with what seems to be an incomplete "1" in the date, i have been unable to find another example apart from a half penny dated the same year with pretty much exactly the same break it on the bay at the moment can post link if im allowed

probably nothing to get exited about but thought i would ask as im new to pennies

[chris]

good day to all

have this penny with what seems to be an incomplete "1" in the date, i have been unable to find another example apart from a half penny dated the same year with pretty much exactly the same break it on the bay at the moment can post link if im allowed

probably nothing to get exited about but thought i would ask as im new to pennies

sorry ignore me on this one (operator error)

[declanwmagee]

It's a halfpenny, right? My 1893 halfpenny has the same break. Shows how closely I look at my coins - I never noticed before you brought it up, Chris!

[chris]

late night, the photos of a half penny

[declanwmagee]

Well, it's interesting anyway. Here's mine for what it's worth...

are they all broken, or has anyone got one that isn't?

[declanwmagee]

also a great example of what the 3 in a 1903 open 3 should look like!

[chris]

here is another from my collection

this is one of 3 1870 pennies i have

probably being a bit paranoid

tell me what you think before i put my thoughts on i

[declanwmagee]

here is another from my collection

this is one of 3 1870 pennies i have

probably being a bit paranoid

tell me what you think before i put my thoughts on i

what are we looking at, Chris? Weak lower serifs?

[chris]

here is another from my collection

this is one of 3 1870 pennies i have

probably being a bit paranoid

tell me what you think before i put my thoughts on i

what are we looking at, Chris? Weak lower serifs?

ok....

its harder to see now ive uploaded it here but im sure i can see a 6 lurking behind the 7

[declanwmagee]

ok....

its harder to see now ive uploaded it here but im sure i can see a 6 lurking behind the 7

Blimey. You know what we're going to say...

- High res large closeup photo

- Proper lighting

- Externally hosted

then we might stand a chance!

[scott]

i got one with no break

[declanwmagee]

i got one with no break

cheers Scott! Now we know...

[chris]

very interesting indeed

i am more of a silver collector personally but have decided to have a go at pennies starting with bun heads first and il see how i feel later on

back to the 1893 penny itself though i have a numerous amount of them and realise theres the elusive 3/2 so i decided to take a photo of the dates and compare

have attached a different looking one.

what do you think? (this one is a penny this time )

[Peckris]

very interesting indeed

i am more of a silver collector personally but have decided to have a go at pennies starting with bun heads first and il see how i feel later on

back to the 1893 penny itself though i have a numerous amount of them and realise theres the elusive 3/2 so i decided to take a photo of the dates and compare

have attached a different looking one.

what do you think? (this one is a penny this time )

The 1893/2 penny is so difficult to spot that it is no wonder that it went unnoticed for so long. I can be shown a close-up of one and STILL probably won't see it.

[Tony Clayton]

also a great example of what the 3 in a 1903 open 3 should look like!

You can also see a comparison on

this link

[Peckris]

also a great example of what the 3 in a 1903 open 3 should look like!

You can also see a comparison on

this link

Nice comparison Tony Strangely though, that normal 3 looks a bit odd!

[scott]

i think there are few minor differances between 3's as well.

[declanwmagee]

...and of course the Open 9 and closed 9 variants of the normal 3 coins.

Your Normal 3 is very different to mine, Tony, but the 9s are the same, so no link between the different Normal 3s and the different 9s.

Quick survey of Normal 3 pennies required I think...

[Peckris]

...and of course the Open 9 and closed 9 variants of the normal 3 coins.

Your Normal 3 is very different to mine, Tony, but the 9s are the same, so no link between the different Normal 3s and the different 9s.

Quick survey of Normal 3 pennies required I think...

Bearing in mind that Tony's picture is of quite a worn normal 3, so maybe it shows some damage?

[declanwmagee]

...and of course the Open 9 and closed 9 variants of the normal 3 coins.

Your Normal 3 is very different to mine, Tony, but the 9s are the same, so no link between the different Normal 3s and the different 9s.

Quick survey of Normal 3 pennies required I think...

Bearing in mind that Tony's picture is of quite a worn normal 3, so maybe it shows some damage?

Hmmm. Anyone else got one like Tony's?

[davidrj]

Bearing in mind that Tony's picture is of quite a worn normal 3, so maybe it shows some damage?

Hmm, possibly an illusion due to the knock on the upper loop of his 3?

we need one of those clever overlays please

David

[Peckris]

Bearing in mind that Tony's picture is of quite a worn normal 3, so maybe it shows some damage?

Hmm, possibly an illusion due to the knock on the upper loop of his 3?

we need one of those clever overlays please

David

Actually, flicking back and forth between Tony's page and Declan's picture here, there seems to be a noticeable difference between the two 'normal' 3s. Declan's shows the usual one where the two loops of the 3 are roughly the same size, and the dividing point is about halfway. Tony's shows the dividing point lower down, almost closing off the bottom loop entirely, while the upper loop is quite 'open'.

[Peckris]

Here's one of those 'clever' overlays :

The top picture is the overlay, then there's the original two pictures for comparison. The overlay doesn't prove much. Tony's penny shows a slight difference in size or shape of the loops, but that could be as much to do with wear as anything else. I'm not sure you can draw any firm conclusions from that.

[declanwmagee]

That's good Peck, seeing them next to one another like that. Am I wrong about those 9s, do you think? Is yours a closed 9, Tony, do you think?

The two 3s are clearly different. Have you got any other examples of the slight variations you mentioned, Scott?

[1949threepence]

very interesting indeed

i am more of a silver collector personally but have decided to have a go at pennies starting with bun heads first and il see how i feel later on

back to the 1893 penny itself though i have a numerous amount of them and realise theres the elusive 3/2 so i decided to take a photo of the dates and compare

have attached a different looking one.

what do you think? (this one is a penny this time )

The 1893/2 penny is so difficult to spot that it is no wonder that it went unnoticed for so long. I can be shown a close-up of one and STILL probably won't see it.

I don't even know what we're supposed to be looking for on an 1893/2, as I've never seen one. I know there is a pic of one in Michael Gouby's "The British Bronze Penny 1860 to 1901†Victoria specialised edition book, but I haven't got it, so I've never seen one. I also know there are different font 3's for that year, which add to the confusion.

It would be very interesting to see one, and to be aware exactly what to look for. The threes look totally different on the two that I have.