Counterfeits of counterfeits? - William Booth

[seuk]

According to: http://www.worldofmoney.birminghamblackhistory.com/story.html the William Booth counterfeits of the 1811 bank tokens were counterfeited in the late 19th century this time for collectors!

Anyone who can confirm this?

I have round twenty 1811-counterfeits mostly of the 3 shilling which all looks like normal period fakes ... except perhaps for one:

This counterfeit has uncommonly large lettering but could still be a 'genuine' period counterfeit unless someone can prove otherwise?

Also does anyone know excactly which type of coins were counterfeited by Booth?

Andrew Wager list the 1s 6d, 3s. and the 1804 crown (The Mystery of Henry Morgan, Barkham's Press 2007)

[azda]

According to: http://www.worldofmo....com/story.html the William Booth counterfeits of the 1811 bank tokens were counterfeited in the late 19th century this time for collectors!

Anyone who can confirm this?

I have round twenty 1811-counterfeits mostly of the 3 shilling which all looks like normal period fakes ... except perhaps for one:

This counterfeit has uncommonly large lettering but could still be a 'genuine' period counterfeit unless someone can prove otherwise?

Also does anyone know excactly which type of coins were counterfeited by Booth?

Andrew Wager list the 1s 6d, 3s. and the 1804 crown (The Mystery of Henry Morgan, Barkham's Press 2007)

here's another for you

[seuk]

Got two 1814 1s 6d both from the same dies as yours ...

The later Bank Tokens are less common than 1811. For the 1s 6d I only have two 1812 (1st+2nd bust) and no other dates except for the two copies of 1814.

And for the 3s; 1812 (2nd bust) and 1815 are fairly common. But I've only seen one copy each of 1813+1814 and no 1812 (1st bust).

[seuk]

According to: http://www.worldofmoney.birminghamblackhistory.com/story.html the William Booth counterfeits of the 1811 bank tokens were counterfeited in the late 19th century this time for collectors!

Anyone who can confirm this?

I have round twenty 1811-counterfeits mostly of the 3 shilling which all looks like normal period fakes ... except perhaps for one:

This counterfeit has uncommonly large lettering but could still be a 'genuine' period counterfeit unless someone can prove otherwise?

Also does anyone know excactly which type of coins were counterfeited by Booth?

Andrew Wager list the 1s 6d, 3s. and the 1804 crown (The Mystery of Henry Morgan, Barkham's Press 2007)

Case closed - got this reply from Dr David Symons, Curator of Antiquities and Numismatics at Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery.

"I am afraid that the website maker must have garbled the story slightly if it said it is Booth´s Bank of England token forgeries which were later copied. Booth made his own copper trade tokens, with his name on them, as a cover for his forging activities, and it is these copper tokens which were forged by other people later on, when Booth had become infamous and collectors wanted specimens of his tokens."

[Colin G.]

Whilst detecting I have found more counterfeit George III silver than genuine...it must have been prolific at that time. Obviously the examples I own have suffered substantially as a result of being silvered base metal, although I did find a "nicer than usual" example of a sixpence the other day, I will try and dig out some pics!!

[declan03]

Now if you can dig out pics Colin....you must have a dodgy detector.?

[copper123]

more fake than genuine george 111 silver nor surpriseing as the first thing folks would do when they realised they had a coin they could not pass on was bin it .