1858 5 over 3 penny ~ how can you tell ?

[1949threepence]

One of the images below is listed as an 1858 5 over 3 overstrike, and the other a plain 1858. But quite honestly I can't tell the difference. Can anybody point me in the right direction & what points to look for. Cheers guys

[Chingford]

One of the images below is listed as an 1858 5 over 3 overstrike, and the other a plain 1858. But quite honestly I can't tell the difference. Can anybody point me in the right direction & what points to look for. Cheers guys

I can't clearly see the dates on your images, so I've attached a link to

Michael Goubys listing of the various overdate types for the 1858 penny.

http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/cp_1858.htm

John

[1949threepence]

One of the images below is listed as an 1858 5 over 3 overstrike, and the other a plain 1858. But quite honestly I can't tell the difference. Can anybody point me in the right direction & what points to look for. Cheers guys

I can't clearly see the dates on your images, so I've attached a link to

Michael Goubys listing of the various overdate types for the 1858 penny.

http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/cp_1858.htm

John

Thanks Chingford. Never thought to look on Gouby's website.

The other 1858 overstrikes are very obvious, but the 8 over 3, is anything but IMO. As he says, 8 over ? what.....

[azda]

The picture on the left was the coin i sold on ebay, i got this from a dealer and if the picture was large enough you'd see that the last 8 had clearly thicker lines

[1949threepence]

The picture on the left was the coin i sold on ebay, i got this from a dealer and if the picture was large enough you'd see that the last 8 had clearly thicker lines

Such is the problem with e bay images on occasions. A close up of the date is often needed.

I wasn't singling you out, by the way. Yours just happened to be about the best image of the several 1858 5/3 overstrikes that were on offer. I was merely using it as a comparison.

[1949threepence]

Incidentally, in all the above, I did of course mean 8/3, not 5 !!!

[azda]

Hey its no problem, i would suggest that some of these error coins were not actually meant to be seen in the way they were made, hence the fact it might be harder to spot 1 error from another, and unless you know what you are looking for and or perhaps with a microscope, cameras not always point those errors out and i assume they are always better in the hand under closer examination. I will try and take another picture and post it here, as the one i uploaded had to be reduced and unfortunately i reduced it to much, so i'll take abother in the morning.

[1949threepence]

Hey its no problem, i would suggest that some of these error coins were not actually meant to be seen in the way they were made, hence the fact it might be harder to spot 1 error from another, and unless you know what you are looking for and or perhaps with a microscope, cameras not always point those errors out and i assume they are always better in the hand under closer examination. I will try and take another picture and post it here, as the one i uploaded had to be reduced and unfortunately i reduced it to much, so i'll take abother in the morning.

Cheers azda, I'll be interested to see it

Thanks for your time.

[azda]

Am not sure it really helps, the camera i have can only get so near then goes pear shaped, i've taken a picture and just cut out around the date. I have looked at it through a glass/lupe and i can definately see the last 8 is thicker at the top right, hope the picture will show it

[1949threepence]

Am not sure it really helps, the camera i have can only get so near then goes pear shaped, i've taken a picture and just cut out around the date. I have looked at it through a glass/lupe and i can definately see the last 8 is thicker at the top right, hope the picture will show it

Yes, and I think it leans slightly more towards the 5, than the non overstrike examples.

Thanks azda. I really appreciate your time and effort. Hope others can possibly benefit from this too.

[azda]

No problem, i'll be posting my other error coin on here tomorrow