Canada Pattern Dollar? Help

[Guest Michael S. Fey]

Please check this link out and please get back to me ASAP at Feyms@aol.com if this coin is for real according to the seller's statement below.

Thanks,

Michael

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...DME:B:EOAB:US:6

THIS COIN WAS DESIGNED BY DONALD R. GOLDER, WELL KNOWN SCULPTOR OF

THE BRITISH. THIS COIN WAS AUTHORIZE BY THE CANADIAN GOVERMENT IN DECEMBER OF 1936. THIS COIN WAS MINTED AT THE BRITISH MINT. IN THE EARLY YEARS THE BRITISH OFTEN PRINTED BANK NOTES & COINS FOR THE CANADIAN GOVERMENT. IN LATE 1936 THE KING DIED AND A NEW DESIGN WAS MADE. THEY ONLY PRINTED 560 SPECIMEN COINS IN 1936. I HOPE THAT THIS WILL BE OF SOME HELP TO YOU. FOR NOW I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE INTEREST THAT YOU HAVE IN OUR ITEMS.

THANKING YOU YOURS TRULY,

[kuhli]

Don't know anything about it, but there is another one on eBay right now with a BIN of US$34.95, a lot less than C$199.99 your example is listed at.

eBay auction #2

[Emperor Oli]

Hmm the engraver isn't the same as the English one (He was called T Humphrey Paget) but that's probably something and nothing as we have different portraits for the Channel Islands etc. One thing however, the legend on it isn't complete. The English one reads: "EDWARDVS VII D:G BR OMN:REX F:D:IND:IMP" however this could also be a Canada-England variant. I don't have a price to hand but C$199 or £82.55 for a mintage of 560 seems quite reasonable

Hang on a minute, the auction finished on 17th March......are you wasting our time?

[Emperor Oli]

Ahh yes with a bigger picture it looks crap plus the second link is selling it as a fantasy piece so I reckon it's a fake

[kuhli]

Ahh yes with a bigger picture it looks crap plus the second link is selling it as a fantasy piece so I reckon it's a fake

You think the bronze one looks like crap, check out the silver version.

silver fantasy piece

[william]

You think the bronze one looks like crap, check out the silver version.

silver fantasy piece

Ewwww!

[Emperor Oli]

OMG that's hideous!

These are not the crappy Lobel issues most often seen, but beautifully engraved

!?!?!

[Master Jmd]

Please check this link out and please get back to me ASAP at Feyms@aol.com if this coin is for real according to the seller's statement below.

if i were you then i would leave it...Edward VIII's coins are quite rare, but you can never be sure...the only coins listed under Edward VIII as i have found are:

• Edward VIII Brass Threepence
  
• Edward VIII Crown
  
• Edward VIII 1936 maundy set (silver not gold)
  

[Chris Perkins]

The initials under the bust tell me that it is definitely modern, Donald R Golder did that one in probably about 1999 I believe, re modelled for a special African coin to commemorate 100 years of the British monarchy, that never was.

Don't touch it with a barge pole, and the seller is either a fool, or lying.

Isn't it potentially dangerous with all these patterns around, when they fall into foolish hands....And it already has a bid. Knowledge is power.

[william]

I personally hate the Edward VIII fantasy pieces.

[Geoff T]

Chris is right. This is a modern retropattern by Golder - one of many he's produced. If there really were only 560 made, then it has some rarity value as a modern fantasy piece, but it's definitely not a pattern of 1936. It may have been based on a design approved for Canada in December 1936, as one of the last things Edward VIII did before his abdication was to approve the designs for new British coins, although coins for the dominions and colonies usually showed the King-Emperor crowned, not bare-headed.

The standard work on Edward VIII coinage is Graham Dyer's The proposed coinage of King Edward VIII. The definitive obverse was by Humphrey Paget and there were a variety of proposed reverses by, inter alia, Kruger Gray, most of which were used with slight modification for George VI. Incidentally, the wren farthing reverse started out as a proposal for the Edward VIII silver threepence. Apparently the king wanted some more modern designs but in the end preferred the more traditional ones. Similarly, the Golden Hind on the later George VI/Elizabeth II halfpenny was designed as a a reverse for an Edward VIII half crown.

BTW - person who wrote the description you quote is way off the mark if s/he thinks Edward VIII "died" in December 1936!

[Geoff T]

Here's what the real thing looks like.

[Chris Perkins]

Oh yeah, just noticed it says the King died in 1936 above!

The palace would probably rather that had happened, and I bet they considered faking his death, like with Princess Di. (oooo Conspiracy )

[Geoff T]

With hindsight it's pretty obvious that Baldwin's government were using the question of marrying Mrs. Simpson simply as an excuse when there were more serious reasons why they wanted him out of the way - but I don't think they were prepared to go as far as assassination!

[Chris Perkins]

Well, you never know what goes on behind Whitehall doors.

What were the more serious reasons that they wanted HRH King Edward VIII out of the way, i've never looked into it?

[Geoff T]

Edward VIII 1936 maundy set (silver not gold)

The 1936 Maundy was distributed by Edward VIII but had the effigy of George V, as did all of our 1936 coins. The first Edward VIII Maundy would have been in 1937 - a fact always overlooked by producers of Edward VIII fantasy Maundy sets, which is what I think you're referring to here.

Given that Maundy Thursday - the Thursday before Easter - falls in March or April, Maundy money is presumably struck the previous year in anticipation. They're always struck in silver, never gold.

It's Maundy Thursday today, as it happens.

[Geoff T]

What were the more serious reasons that they wanted HRH King Edward VIII out of the way, i've never looked into it?

He was seen to be a bit too pally with Hitler for a start. Those who knew him mentioned a certain lack of stability, even immaturity, and it was felt that he wasn't going to take the job seriously. Apparently as Prince of Wales he'd talked about opting out of the succession and after his accession he talked of "going Kinging" when he had to attend to matters of state. His father had despaired of him and was concerned that he had not settled down and married, and even expressed as wish that "David" as he was known to the family would have no children so that the succesion would pass to the Duke of York and his daughters -which is what happened.

He was allegedly extremely fussy over the design of his coins, famously refusing to follow tradition and face to the right because he thought his left profile looked better.

BTW - Monarchs are never HRH - they're HM. If she find out she might have you thrown in the Tower for lese majeste

[Chris Perkins]

Or HMGM as on some Victorian medals.

I'd heard about the alleged Hitler thing, and how fussy he was with the coins.

I suppose those are all pretty good reasons to push him out and let it go to the Duke of York, you have to take being a King quite seriously I would have thought. It would have no doubt been very interesting if had been King though wouldn't it.

[Geoff T]

It would have no doubt been very interesting if had been King though wouldn't it.

What's interesting is whether, if he had reigned until his death in 1972, his niece who would have then succeeded him as the present queen would have chosen to face right on her coins (because he faced left), or would have faced left herself on the grounds that he ought to have faced right - which is what her father decided to do.