1848 penny, over date identification

[Ianb26]

Hi, please can I have your opinions on the 1848 penny over date. It does not look like an over 7 or even a 6.

[Martinminerva]

Standard 8 over 7.  Yours looks like type Da in the varieties noted by Gouby in screenshot from his website below...

 

[Ianb26]

Thanks Martin

[alfnail]

In my experience there are 4 different obverse dies which have been altered to 1848/7.

These are illustrated in the pictures below.

Whilst Bramah does not have any pictures to illustrate his type 10b, he says the following in his 1929 book:-

"The die has been altered from 1847. The 7 shows very plainly beneath the 8, its up-stroke dividing the lower loop of 8 into two unequal parts, that on the left being much the smaller."

Interestingly, I have found two different obverse dies which fit Bramah's 10b description. These are the top two pictures shown below. Surprisingly, these Bramah 10b types do not appear on Gouby’s website.

Bramah 10c / Gouby C (bottom left) is probably the most common of the 8/7’s

Gouby D (bottom right), with the 7 at back of bottom loop of the 8, I think is the rarest type……and probably why Bramah has missed this variety.

Gouby Ca and Cb are doubled examples of his variety C

I believe his Da is simply a worn example of his type D. He actually remarks upon this himself

 i.e. "Possibly a worn version of D !?"

If anyone wishes to see additional detailed legend pictures to support any of the above then please feel free to contact me.