Is this beyond recognition ?

[Citizen H]

Its come to pass that I keep feeling the need to move on with the pile of really...really worn out hammered coins.

Ive tried and cant get beyond thinking this may be Edward I... on the reverse I can make out Civi Tas ..beyond that nothing comes to mind....

Any Ideas?

  

[Citizen H]

wow, the penny has been Identified to be .......😲👍

Edward III, York.  Quatrefoil in centre of reverse, CIVI TAS EBO RACI

[Coinery]

To be honest I can’t reconcile that portrait, hair, or crown at all?

I don’t suppose it would do any good to ask for a weight? The obverse looks really halfpennyesque, but I don’t think there were quatrefoil reverses on the halfpennies were there?

Edited Monday at 05:51 PM by Coinery

[Citizen H]

Ah.. as yet no scales... the size is that of a penny... the coin was identified by a authority of Hammered coins that I approached,  i don't have any others to compare with..... so I'm happy with its identification,  unless any other suggestions come along 👍  

[Coinery]

Reads ANGLIE on the obverse.

Lettering of the C & S in civitas, and the B in ‘Eboraci,’ plus the A in ‘Edward,’ and reverse-barred N in Anglie, just don’t do it for me!

[Coinery]

OK, so the best I can do with this is say there were Edward III pennies from the Treaty/Post Treaty period bearing the obverse legend you have on your coin. However, given that the lettering, bust, etc. is so crude in its execution, I feel it can only leave you with something continental or perhaps a contemporary counterfeit…UNLESS, of course, it’s something that’s been struck from local York dies?

Looking for Edward III pennies that were struck from local dies, is one I’ll leave to you. I did however, in a brief search, find a Richard II penny struck from Local York dies*, and I feel there are some similarities, so not all is lost.
It might also be worth taking a really close look, under magnification, at the first 3 letters of the kings name, too.

*taken from a dealer’s website, who just happens to be a member on here  

Historic Coinage 

 

Edited Tuesday at 12:20 PM by Coinery

[jelida]

That very distinctive ‘stalked’ central fleur looks pretty much identical to the illustration of the ‘Edward III Pre Treaty Series E York Episcopal’  Penny on page 70 of ‘The Galata Guide to Mediaeval Pennies Part 1’ though I cannot see a quatrefoil after ‘ANGLIE’ on H’s specimen.  It is an interesting coin, and I think Dave Greenhalgh is the man to give an opinion here, if anyone is a contact. 
 

Jerry

[Coinery]

6 hours ago, jelida said:

That very distinctive ‘stalked’ central fleur looks pretty much identical to the illustration of the ‘Edward III Pre Treaty Series E York Episcopal’  Penny on page 70 of ‘The Galata Guide to Mediaeval Pennies Part 1’ though I cannot see a quatrefoil after ‘ANGLIE’ on H’s specimen.  It is an interesting coin, and I think Dave Greenhalgh is the man to give an opinion here, if anyone is a contact. 
 

Jerry

I don’t suppose you have an image of that coin to hand, do you? I don’t have a copy of that book, just the Galata pennies of Edward I & II

[jelida]

On 12/9/2025 at 7:40 PM, Coinery said:

I don’t suppose you have an image of that coin to hand, do you? I don’t have a copy of that book, just the Galata pennies of Edward I & II

Hi Stu,

here is the pic. Very similar crown.

Jerry

[Coinery]

16 minutes ago, jelida said:

Hi Stu,

here is the pic. Very similar crown.

Jerry

Thanks, Jerry…agreed, and this is probably what he has to be honest. I’m guessing these would be local dies?

[jelida]

3 hours ago, Coinery said:

Thanks, Jerry…agreed, and this is probably what he has to be honest. I’m guessing these would be local dies?

I suspect so, and while close I don’t think it’s an actual die match with H’s. Potentially a very rare coin, especially as the one illustrated is the best Dave Greenhalgh could find!
 

Jerry