Silver Penny ID Confirmation

[jacobvs]

Hi,

I was hoping that someone would be able to confirm my tentative ID of the attached coin.

It's been fairly heavily clipped and weighs 0.6g. Max diameter is 14.4mm. Although I can't read any of the legends, I believe it might be a penny of Richard II, Canterbury mint using locally produced dies??

There are two clear pellets by the king's shoulders, and nothing else as far as I can see on his breast, which is not as distinct here as other varieties I've seen. On the reverse the long cross appears to continue through the quatrefoil lobes at its centre.

North lists six groups for these with different legends (Vol.II, 1330), but I don't know what a 'group' is or what it means in terms of the coin's overall design?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Best regards,

James

[Rob]

Looks Irish to me. For a start the legend above the crown begins with an E, not an R, so not Richard. And on the reverse, following TAS you have DVB. So I'd say Edward IV light cross and pellets coinage, Dublin. Spink ref. 6373G (old 6365) would fit, or D&F 136 if you prefer.

Edited July 9, 2024 by Rob

[jacobvs]

Hi Rob,

Many thanks indeed. This was the other potential fit that came up when I was searching. You did well to make anything of the legends, although once one knows what to look for it does become a bit clearer - I believe I can make out the DVB now!

I can follow up with some more research now.

Thanks again,

James 

[Citizen H]

aha... I think this is possibly the same coin that jacobvs has , the crown looks the same although the reverse is different. Irish????

I'm none the wiser but interesting to find a similar coin, 

all the best "H" 

[Citizen H]

On 5/6/2025 at 7:56 PM, Citizen H said:

aha... I think this is possibly the same coin that jacobvs has , the crown looks the same although the reverse is different. Irish????

I'm none the wiser but interesting to find a similar coin, 

all the best "H" 

Just been confirmed ........

It's a penny of Edward IV's Irish issues, Light 'cross and Pellets' Coinage, c.1473-8, Dublin mint. These are tricky things, as they are struck on small flans with much of the legend missing - so not actually clipped.  But you can read the bottom of the letters DVB for Dublin on the reverse, so it is actually one of the better ones.” 👍

[jacobvs]

Glad mine was of use!

James