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  1. Thanks again. I've just made a mental decision to go through the bronze pennies (particularly Victoria) and change all the obverse/reverse descriptions to include Freeman's descriptions as so many people still use them. Thus an 1860 F10 would be described as 1860 F10 (Gouby D+d; Freeman 2+D). It might be more useful ?


  2. Freeman doesn't differentiate between Gouby A and B. The big difference which you can only see on unworn specimens is in the engraving on Victoria's cape. On obverse A the stem of the upper right clover leaf is long and stretches down to the rose on the left. On obverse B, the stems of the two top right clover join below them at the top of the third clover leaf. The clover leaves are smaller on obverse B. Gouby then goes on to note 2 minor variations in obverse A - one where the R & E of REG touch at the bottom and the other where R is rotated slightly so that its toe is a little below the back of the E. Pretty geeky stuff ! But the Ebay coin is clearly an obverse A.

    If you want to see pictures, take a look at my collection website which I'm putting together (thanks to members who have given me tips)

    Address is www.englishpennies.wordpress.com

    Freeman 763 is one of the more common examples of the early beaded patterns but still a rare coin.

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  3. Regarding the 1926 with "pattern" reverse. It seems to be a hybrid of Freeman reverses B and C. It has the slightly larger figure of Britannia as on reverse B but has the border teeth of reverse C which are slightly longer and fewer in number (184 as opposed to 187 on reverse C. I assume that it's an interim stage of development of reverse C. It was sold at London Coin Auction in March 2009 as part of the Roland Harris collection (as a 1926 M.E.) and was previously part of the Andrew Wayne collection sold at LCA in June 2006 (as a 1926 M.E.). Neither collector seems to have recognised the non-standard reverse but it was later brought to my attention by another collector who had spotted the difference from the catalogue. I bought it shortly afterwards at Croydon Coin Auction in May 2010, again as a normal 1926 M.E. penny having recognised it as the Roland Harris coin from the CCA website.

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