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  1. On 8/8/2023 at 4:35 PM, secret santa said:

    I can't make up my mind, but I've emailed the guy who sent me the pics of example 20 to ask if he put it into LCA's sale.

    Re the discussion about 1909 F169 examples 20 and 21 being the same coin, the supplier of the picture of number 20 says that they are not.....

    But that vertical line does look similar.........

  2. 13 hours ago, Martinminerva said:

    Some time ago (pre-pandemic), I think there was some chat on here (but can't find it) that a full re-write of Freeman was being planned incorporating all the new varieties from the 2016 appendices and further subsequent discoveries along with high res colour illustrations. Wonder if that has been taken forward at all? If so, hope it is done as hardback for the reasons mentioned above. 

    You're right - Chris Perkins did once say that he was considering a total re-write which could involve updating/amending Freeman identifiers (F numbers) but without a "governing body" to adjudicate on such things, I think that the F numbers should be left unchanged.

  3. 5 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

    Hmmm, yes a slight puzzler there. I can see the vertical line above Britannia's helmet which appears to be pretty much identical in both cases. But I can't see the two puncture type dings to the immediate right of them, on example 20. That might be my browser though. Also, as you say, the photography on example 20 is not the best.

    You may well be right. See what Richard thinks.

    I can't make up my mind, but I've emailed the guy who sent me the pics of example 20 to ask if he put it into LCA's sale.

  4. 22 hours ago, oldcopper said:

    I notice one anomaly, to do with the gilt 1797 inscribed edge KP5 penny. DNW refer to the coin as a one off, and the inscription was referred to in Peck as a later adulteration in a footnote. Now, whether it is or not I don't know, but In Baldwins 47 (Gregory II) one of these was the front cover coin, in beautiful and brilliant mint state no less. A stunner. However, a more ropey one turned up in their auction a few years later, scratched and edge knocked, but it was given exactly the same provenance as their supposedly unique earlier mint state one. This is the one in DNW.

    Yes, Noonans are claiming their lot 527 is the same one you refer to (Gregory lot 258) in terms of the provenance.

  5. On 5/25/2023 at 7:47 PM, blakeyboy said:

    I have some pennies that are not listed as 'varieties' yet, but more may exist, but for the moment, there are but one example.

    Have you posted details of these in the past ?

  6. 26 minutes ago, oldcopper said:

    Spink are inconsistent, they don't list copper patterns

    Yes, that's why they don't want to list Medusa. I've now pointed out to them that it's not really a pattern - there are only circulated specimens in existence, whereas genuine patterns tend to survive in near FDC condition.

  7. Over a year ago I wrote to Spink suggesting some additional varieties to include in the Penny sections of their "Coins of England" annual catalogues.

    I listed the following types with pictures of the interesting features:

    1847 Medusa, 1858 large rose, 1860 ONF, 1862 3 plumes, 1862 VIGTORIA, 1862 B over R, 1863 open 3 and 1909 F169. I felt that they were all worthy of mention with associated values as they exist in collectable numbers, and offered advice from my records on recent prices paid for these types. I thought that Medusa would be a certainty.

    Today I received a reply saying that they would include only the 1858 large rose and the 1862 VIGTORIA, despite already including 1863 over 1 (a much less obvious type) and 1903 open 3.

    Rather disappointing.

  8. 3 hours ago, Paddy said:

    do I sell the lot and cash in, or do I continue collecting.

    A question for us all.

    Has the value of coins peaked ? Do you need the money ? Is the number of predecimal collectors likely to increase or decrease ?

    Oh for a crystal ball !