Mat

Hello guys, I have come across this 1940 florin, please tell me what you think. I do know one sided blanks appear now and again but I have never come across a blank florin. I cannot see any signs of abrasions at all, even though a loupe. However the weight is 10.5g opposed to the standard of 11.3g??. Is it possible for an error in this format to be lighter than the standard for some reason or another? Please let me know your thoughts on this coin. ....and please look at my other recent posting and unlisted Varity which I need help on. Mat

Wow, after looking at that link it is a little scary! Like we all agree its just better to avoid anything from a chinese seller. I did notice an isle of man crown now you have mentioned it! Never been interested in those of have the knowledge on isle of man coins, but yes just shows, and for them to be copying even lincoln cents as show on the link, only worth £10! thats whats scary.

Hello guys I feel it is worth mentioning.... During my several hours of scanning the net and ebay daily I have realised lots of 1763 shillings appearing, has anyone else noticed?? Here are just two examples: 250411554415 330321704142 (I won this at a very low price but didnt pay for it) I have come across 8 in total over the last two weeks of which one is real, and considering this is quite a scarce coin.... its just far to coincidental. These by law of averages compared to coins of similar scarcity only appear on ebay once every 2-3 months or so. Here are all the telltale signs: Most of the sellers are from China. Some ebay accounts are US registered, BUT if you look at the way the listing is worded you can tell its not wrote by an English speaking person. Most listings have the bidders kept private. ALL of the sellers have 100% positive feedback, and it you look carefully you will notice all the feedback seems to be fictitious, i.e. most comments are "Nice coin thanks" or other things to that effect. Look at a genuine feedback, or mine (icedchetty) comments are always so varied from person to person. All the 1763 shillings are all in fantastic condition, and should all command £500+. Also note the colour of these coins are just slightly off... the same colour as most of the early milled fake 8 real coins... good forgeries but obvious if you look very carefully. Most of the sellers have other coins for sale which are all usually quite scarce and all in fantastic condition which again is too coincidental. Maybe these sellers are all working together in a gang ring or something. Don’t get fooled! As tempting as it is to bid and win one of these for less than £200.... it’s NOT the real thing. Mat PS on a total different subject a nice Henry Hase £1 just sold on ebay for £600, (I bid £590)... very unusual for one to sell for less than £1000 in good condition.............

The other side is compleatly worn to nothing, there is nothing at all to identify.

Hello guys, I picked up this very miss treated silver hammered coin (I think its hammered, looks thin for milled and its clipped) but it might be milled...scottish? From the original photo I saw I thought it may have been a very worn commonwealth crown but it appears not as the identifiable wreath is not the same style as found on the commonwealth crowns. Facts: Apparently found metal detecting in the UK A little bigger than a Charles I half crown Surface area is significantly worn, only the wreath part is identifiable, the other patterns may be features of the coin, or they may be the mottled effects of the tool that has caused so much damage. Nothing is identifable on the other side. Any help would be appreciated!

RE: As long as you have got the seller to confirm the item is not a counterfeit via email or on the listing the consumer act will cover you. If the listing just simply states what the coin is, without sayng the words "genuine" or somthing in that effect then its a little harder from the credit card issuer point of view, best example I can give...A branded footware called Ugg Boots were being sold on the internet. The title and description stated Ugg boots for sale, hundreds were sold which turned out to be fake ugg boots. Buyers could not get a refund through their credit cards as the sellers did not state branded... used the trade mark... or anything like that, simply called them ugg boots which is yes very unfair and missleading, but not against the law in the way they did it.

opps didnt finish the post.... Instead of staying clear of these chineese sellers, I just go for it and win it, then ask outright: "Before I make payment, can you confirm the coin is not a counterfeit, because if I find it is when I recieve it I will file a charge back on my credit card and automatically get a refund without even using paypal to despute it, and you will lose the money and the coin." And would you believe he replied with: "In that case it prob is a fake." If I paid for all the coins I won this week I would be £3.5k down! Here is a good tip: Remove all your debit cards linked to your paypal account, and just fund paypal via credit card, make sure your paypal is empty when you make a payment so the transaction is 100% funded by your credit card otherwise it will be partially funded by your account balance. Then if somthing goes wrong and you lose your paypal case when you file a dispute, you can then simply file a charge back on your credit card as you are covered by the credit consumer protection act, and automatically covered by the sale of goods act 1991 which includes items which are broken, replica, did not arrive, or if the company goes bust, (or the seller becomes a "no longer a registered user" in the case of ebay). If you dont read many posts, take note of the above advice it really is worth doing and can protect you greatly in the event paypal lets you down! If you do the transaction as the right time, you can make it so you dispute the item befor your credit card bill is due, so you can freeze that transaction in the event of a dipute and never end up dipping into your own pocket to pay for it as you wont have settled your credit card bill. Mat

Another one to add to the ebay list..... User ID: ldxhwzg Item number: 330321704142 Would have sold for about £400 in this condition, I won it for $109 USD. W

Hello guys, thanks for the replys and there is some good advice there.... would you believe this guy is STILL persisting with me, the more he replys with the more if a joke he is making out of him self, I asked him for the photos as you suggest of the slabbed coin taken in his hands and next to his face: Dear icedchetty, Sorry, can't send any more pics because I don't have a digital camera at the moment. Then it all came out even more when he then sent this: Dear icedchetty, I consulted with my father and he said, only if you make a wire transfer deposit of 50% then I will send you this coin. In another case I have to break the deal. Here is not your fault. You are probably a good guy. Sorry. So his farther is still alive!! in which case why on earth would his son be selling off his coin which he would have paid $0000000s for.... So its now gone from $5400 to $4000 to now $2000 that he is willing to accept, if we are still communicating with eachother in a week I will offer him $1, see if he accepts. I think we should now focus on the other coin he has on there: 160327773764 again this proof is worth a few thousand. How can we prevent some poor buyer getting scammed, if any one has a spare dormant ebay account they can win it with......

Very true, thats what I was hoping for here I guess as he claimed he knew nothing about coins and they were his dads etc.. The last question was I offered to come and fly over to the US to collect it and pay in cash... but this is now the email he has sent when I persisted: Dear icedchetty, I do not know what to do. In addition, once I went to a meeting with a buyer and was robbed and need to go to the hospital because of physical injuries that caused me. Sorry that was a bad experience I wont put you a status of unaid item strike. The deal is jsut cancelled. OK ? He is getting more of a joke each time he replys! I swear he is nearly to the point of admitting its all a scam... I have reported him to his bank of which he gave me the details of, ebay, the police authority in his registered postcode on ebay and paypal Such a shame it would have been such a nice item to acquire if it was all legit...

I have decided to start compiling a list of fraudulent sellers on ebay for all to see, as I deal in all high value coins and notes I probably come accross more scammers than most people, so I am going to start sharing this: The latest two people are as follows, luckily for me I have not lost anything as I always buy or win auctions but ask very tactful questions before I pay to catch them out. lihaojiaoyi721 - this seller has some very nice coins foreign and british on sale occationally, after close examinations of the listing pictures, most of the features on his coins just do not match up, such as flawless looking coins from the 1700s, but then mint marks letters are too far apart, the bust hair is not as detailed as it should be etc etc.. My latest encounter: mwizard - he claims the two coins he is selling were his dads which he bought in auction in 2002. He had an 1825 pattern £2 coin on auction which I lost at $5400, but then ebay removed the auction after it ended for an infrindgement, so I emailed the seller saying if for what ever reason the sale does not go through I would like to buy it but through ebay only, so he created a private listing for me: 160327609719 So after I used the buy it now option, this is the emails he replied with, you can pretty much guess the what my questions to him were: Dear icedchetty, I have restored MY(sorry) account.Wiining bidder was trying to pay me using hijacked paypal account. I reported this crook to eBay. So eBay ended this listing. However item George IV gold is still available for sale. Or i can relist with buy it now and you can buy via Ebay. Dear icedchetty, of course, How do I create a private listing ? i do with buy it now at $4000. okay ? Dear icedchetty, i have a new problem. i got a message from support. Your account may have been accessed by a third party. In an effort to protect your account, we have put a temporary block on bidding, selling and the ability to send messages to other eBay members until we can safely restore your account to you. Please click here to go to our Account Security Live Chat service. Dear icedchetty, I have already removed restrictions on my account. Are you ready to finish the deal? I am doing the listing an category of "everything else , correct ? i can do this now. (WON ITEM USING BUY IT NOW) Dear icedchetty, Banking details as follows: PNC Bank 4022 FIFTH AVENUE PITTSBURGH, PA 15213 Checking Account: 1027313212 Routing Number: 043000096 Name on Account: Christopher Hilinski swift code: PNCCUS33 Dear icedchetty, Okay, you make wire transfer (bank to bank wire), right ? I would be grateful if you will email me the reference number of your wire. So I could call to my bank and ask them about your wire. Thanks Dear icedchetty, After the cour process with one of my buyers I do not accept PayPal. I had a bad experience with PayPal, I was scammed for $7k and haven't found that scammer yet. Dear icedchetty, sorry dont send me paypal Dear icedchetty, Unfortunately my paypal acc locked now. Dear icedchetty, okay, you come flying His address registered to ebay is: Christopher Hilinski El Dorado Hills, CA 95762 United States Which is 2700 miles away from his bank address....... So there we have it..... I encourage you to update these fraud lists as you go....

Hi, did any of you just see this run out on ebay: 160326186334 It just sold for $5398, I was the next highest bidder at $5398. Gutted! Thought I could have made a small fortune out of that if I won! There was some clear shill bidding going on there, in the last 20 min I watched a bidder put a bid on every single bid increment from $712 to $2550 when he was winning it. Then to make sure he was not going to win his own coin in the last 5 min the seller decided to remove that bidder and cancel all his bids, and leaving the comment "bad bidder" in the explanation comment box. It was just outright obvious! and the fact all the bidders bidding history was just 100% on the sellers coin meaning he has never bidded on any other listing on ebay. Have any of you known of another 1825 £2 to sell? If so how much for? I cannot find anything on the net unless I pay and subscribe to worthpoint or artufact or somthing. Mat

Rob by any chance were these gilt patterns an 1806 half and a 1807 penny? If so they came up in this auction today.... they looked like normal coins with something like gold car touch up paint over the surface which was half worn off... they went for 90 and 100. I have two genuine copper gilt alloy proof ones in my possession to sell which look the part, and look nothing like the ones w&w offered. I went there with the intention of buying 19 lots... with the intention of making a profit reselling and I came out empty handed. Admittedly the 1860/59 was good, it was better than the pic they featured on their site, but the ding on the reverse detracted at least 1k from my point of view as a perspective profiteer! Never the less while I was there I did ask to view all the high value stuff, and it was pants really. I also felt they were craftily trying to generate a false interest by putting an estimate of £1000 on the 1860/59 to make people think a real bargain is coming when of course its going to exceed it by double! And to prove the point I phoned them up the day before and asked for the coin appraisal guy, and asked why the low estimate, he told me its a modest estimate as that’s all the owner of it is expecting! What a crap answer. Well it was my first time at W&W, glad I went because it opened up my eyes to the prices being paid for crap at auction houses, in light of that, I am going to submit 6 high value coins. 4 which I know will sell on ebay for £500 each and 2 which I can easily sell on ebay for £1600 and £2500. I am also going to submit a box of 2.5kg pre 1920 scrap silver coins to see what it will actually fetch as one lot. Hopefully they may be a better channel of selling, and at least give the buyers the chance to bid for some real decent coins. On another note I went into a green antiques shop opposite where the auction was held, a guy has a coin stall inside. His stuff is priced at what you would expect in a high street coin shop but its good stuff! No use to me but for collectors I would recommend. He had a full set of william and mary crowns and about 40 charles I half crowns in trays underneath. Must have at least 20k of stock He was happy to let his bullion sovereigns go for £150 each which I really did not expect to find in a shop. Mat

Hello guys, Did any of you attend or bid at the Warwick and Warwick auction today? I battled it out with a phone bidder for an 1860/59 copper penny today; the phone bidder outbid me at £2400 which is about £2814 after premium and VAT. Do any of you think the winner got a bargain there? I can’t stop thinking to myself how much it would have been worth bidding to. Whilst that may have been a bargain, everything else seemed to be going for stupid prices.... and I mean like over double the price you can pick the same coin up from eBay in better grade. I also think all the coins are a little over graded. These were some of the hammer prices...and they have to pay 15% + VAT on top of that too.... 1887-1906 sets of half crown, florin, shilling, six pence and three pence, some EF but most fine.. And all the 1905 coins were just fine if not lower... sold for £1500. 35 crowns mostly 1887 to 1900, a couple of 1845, 1821 and a 1902 but absolutely all of them were in Fine tops and it sold for £765 which is about (£870).... on eBay that would have definitely gone for no more than £450. some Victorian shillings, a 1821 crown and some bits and bobs all mounted or ex mount, or quilted all in F or lower, my estimate was £35, it sold for £95... A box weighing 5kg full of pennies about 1895-1967, all the typical junk which has no value, and about 100 post 1947 half crowns, my estimate £30, it sold for £120 (£140) which is just a joke! 1716 crown in Fine, lower than fine on the obverse ex mounted sold £380 which I suppose was not too bad. 1739 crown in VF sold £670 which is ok.. 1847 Gothic crown, fine tops, exmounted and had 4 holes in the rim sold for I think £500 And this one..... they described a 1925 half crown as extremely fine, however when I examined it closely it was really no more than a medium to better VF, and it had staining, it sold for £160. I swear if we all just go and buy a load of stuff and junk from eBay and sell it through an auction like this we would make tons of money Mat

Hello guys, first time I have ever joined a coin forum and I need some advice. Firstly I am going to admit I am into coins and notes just for the money which I know some of you may not appreciate my presence here but I would prefer to be up front and honest. I love coins and would love to collect and did collect up to the point of going to uni (sold to pay for tuition fees), however now I am 23 and need to utilise funds for slightly more important things like mortgage/car/wedding>wife. So I have been putting my knowledge of coins to good personal use. I have been buying coins from everywhere and pretty much just selling them on eBay to make a second income, some of you may have seen the 1876 frank may £5 note I sold recently. Now despite the high value stuff I buy and sell, there is still a lot I need to learn and probably some of the simplest things I don’t know or still miss: 1. If a collection is described as “collection on leaves" does this just mean the coins are in plastic/pvc coin sleeves in an album? 2. I am going to sell some guilt George III coins soon when they arrive (cartwheel penny & 1806 half penny), both coins are proofs, however are they guilt proof or are they struck as a normal proof, then bronzed then guilted? 3. I came across a set of Official Coronation medals from Charles II - QEII, pretty much all gold, silver and copper or bronze editions were present for each monarch, however the queen Ann and George IV had a 4th metal issue which appeared to be struck in pewter. Are these pewter strikes official? They were both 34mm which I believe is correct, and did look a little worn. 4. I do not clean coins with the exception of bullion sovereigns (because they do look nicer shiny and I don’t think anyone really cares they will still fetch £145 either way) HOWEVER, I have recently acquired some pretty common James II tin farthings and I believe two of them would benefit from getting the rust off. Now I do not want to risk destroying them as they are worth a bit, I was wondering if anyone can offer advice on cleaning tin farthings using reversed electrolysis so the cathodes will extract the rust from the coin? I can use a solvent for the electrolyte opposed to an acid which will obviously destruct the coin surface. Thanks for all your help with the above questions, I would like to communicate on here a lot more and I hope that we will trade in future. ps thank you Chris Perkins for the help you gave me on the 1991 £15000 bank notes which I found mentioned in a book... Mathew