Mat

Lol I was tempted to bid £500 for the 1877 penny, I placed a £3000 bid for the 1841hc, I think that was a reasonable price for it.... There are various predictions on coin sites that if a 1933 penny was to come up for sale, it would fetch £50-100k, considering how much these other pennies have gone for I reckon it would go for £250k

I just fill you all in.... I am guessing you are all most interested in the following... 1868 bonze proof half penny £650 1841 sovereign £7500 1841 half crown in GVF £4200 And the star prize goes to... yes you have guessed it... the dirty worn out 1877 slender 7 penny.....£6000 - a new fiat panda sport or an undergraduate degree or a deposit on a small house.

I would grade that as Medium EF, no more no less. If I was selling I would want £1350 for it, or if I had a high street coin shop I guess you would expect to pay up to £1500-1600 for it. As pointed out with the pics, especially with KEVII, a visual inspection would be required to look at Edwards hair properly. From looking at the P and I on the reverse, I am guessing Edwards hair is actually slightly better than how it looks on your pictures.

Great stuff! Your 7 looks more slender than the one with london coins.

Ok, I will offer you £375 for it based on a visual inspection. I deal so I would expect to sell for between £440-£500. After taking selling fees into consideration that would leave me with an acceptable margin.

A sane price would be in the low thousands. It is what I call a genuine variety and should be sought after. I reckon the guy that went apeshit with his money last time is now satisfied and the market will return to normal levels, but if he's not... It's an interesting question why there were narrow and wide dates which occur every year from 1874 to 1879 (bar 1878), but of course the width of the date is only the tip of the iceberg with many other differences (e.g. thick/thin lighthouse) also in evidence. I don't know what the reasons behind this were, but if anybody knows I would be fascinated to learn. There had to have been at least one underbidder when the slender 3 penny sold. I wonder if that fellow now realizes what a narrow escape he had. Just out of curiosity and I know we all have the same opinion on that slender 3 penny.... how many more of them are known to exist, and do you reckon they are from different dies or the same dies as the normal 3 but somehow it went skewiff? I know that sounds like an amateur question but I think it may be possible if the die became damaged/worn and a couple got through before it was noticed. Or on the flip side the original die was the slender 3 and a few were struck and got through, and then it was realised and the die replaced with the normal...

I would personally grade that VF-GVF, there is a lot of wear on Edwards Hair, and the dark spots greatly detract. I sold a 1903 in almost uncirculated condition for £1325 6 months ago. I think realistically your coin would command £400-£600. If you would like a suitable comparison, scroll down to the bottom of this page and compare the condition and price of the 1903 pictured: http://www.warwickandwarwick.com/pages/coins.htm And that price was including the 15% buyer premium.

Hard to find one in worse condition I should have thought ? Lots of nice stuff in this auction. The Ed VII Florins (1330-1337) caught this penny collectors eye when they shouldn't have... They certainly do look nice, there is one described as UNC but with a couple of surface marks which looks very appealing to me. I don’t think the surface marks they mention detract from it at all, if I was going to bid I think I would go for that... reasonable estimate as well. With the penny, I am just waiting on the edge of my seat to see some guy shed out £24k again!! Have to admit, for the right price I would like to have a shot at that 1841 half crown, especially after the way that one with w&w sold the other month.

The coming London coins June sale has a 1877 slender, Lot 2034 - estimate £750-£1500. Has anyone got one in worse or better condition that the one being offered? And you all remember the 1841 hc in Good/Vgood that w&w sold last time? well there is a lovely one being offered in the London coins auction.

Well, to make it relative to copper and bronze in that respect, you might as well sling these two half crowns in the same pile that you might want to sling that £23,000 vicky penny with the slender 3 into.

"An 1839 half crown, plain fillets, ww incuse, fine / good fine, estimated £550, achieved a superb £2,012. £1,207 was paid for the rare date 1841 half crown, fair / fine, which was estimated at a modest £100. The best result for a Victorian sovereign was the £2,530 paid for an 1839 issue, in very fine grade, which bore a pre sale estimate of £1,000."

They are quite rare, book guide is about £700 for 1839 in F and £500 for the 1841 in F, the 1839 is apparently rated 11-20 known specimens but in the recent past London coins have sold currency issues in GVF for about £2500 - £3500, so for the 1839 at w&w to sell for £1750 + commission is tremendous. The mintage on the 1841 is about 41,000, thats about 20,000 less than the 1905 half crowns which as I am sure you know sell for silly prices. I bid £900 on it in the hope to sell for about £1300, and £160 on the 1841 in the hope to sell for about £300. I think the normal collector would not be interested in paying much more than that.

Email the seller and ask if he can provide 100 of them and at what price? They will usually reply with: "Hello good sir, "Yes we can tell me which coins and dates, would you like replica stamped on them or not?" If you come straight out with the question then they will know you know they are replica straight away so they have nothing to loose in replying with the above answer...

I cant believe it, I had an internet bid on it for £160 lol

I phoned W&W this morning: 1839 went for £1750 hammer price 1841 went for £1050 hammer price That is shocking for the 1841 it was in dreadful condition, here are the links: http://www.warwickandwarwick.com/catalogue/pages/pics.asp?id=155731&estimatelow=550 http://www.warwickandwarwick.com/catalogue/pages/pics.asp?id=155736&estimatelow=100 You will have to be quick though as they usually remove the online catalogue straight after the auction.

If anyone went to the auction today please could they let me know how much the following lots sold for: Lot 22 - mixture of crowns Lot 184 - Currency issue 1839 half crown Lot 188 - 1841 half crown W&W take for ever in publishing the results and informing buyers/sellers of outcome. Thanks Mat

I recall one selling at W&W for about £860 in GEF, I think it was an 1918 one, either last year or 2008. Sorry I cannot be more specific, maybe some one else can expand on that sale if they remember it. Mat

For those how followed an interest in this thread on the rare C1 crown I managed to sell it for a small loss, just under what I was asking for it. The buyer has asked me not to disclose the exact amount though... So all good managed to release the funds for more buys!

oh dear - I spend far more on coins than on food, tobacco,and petrol put together. Three reasons 1) In only spend PayPal on coins, not real money, and the coins earned all the PayPal 2) If I buy a coin that means I get to spend the money again one day. Food, tobacco, and petrol you can only spend once. 3) Living as we do, we don't have any bills to pay, apart from the odd propane bottle, so I have managed to convince myself that there genuinely aren't that many more important things than coins - after all, they are our pension fund for when I can't dig gardens for the middle classes anymore. I suppose that puts me in the "nothing but coins" category, Mat! I was actually referring to a collector I used to buy from in Leek that was so obsessed with completing the series he was chasing he spent his and his wife’s income on buying and ended up actually defaulting on their mortgage payments, his obsession ultimately lead to the breakdown of his marriage. That is what I call the nothing but coins category, if that is what you fall into than better you than good luck to you.

I have to say that the late series hammered coins and the earliest series milled, are not only quite similar in quality, but are very handsome coins. I wonder why the milling methods of producing coins didnt really take off for another 100 years after they produced the milled Elizabeth 1st sixpences, surely they thought they were better then hammered??

A currency issue 1839 half crown sold on ebay US during Christmas holidays, it was in about Very Good to Fair and it sold for around £900 if I remember correctly, I think that was grossly overpriced considering you can buy one in VF for £2500-£3000. I wouldnt be prepared to pay more than £800 for one in Fine... if I was collecting.. Mat, Its these prices which deter me from completing some areas of my collection - I simply am not that interested in spending that kind of money even for good condition fillers. I'm probably being short sighted, but there are limits! Unless the lottery comes along of course...... Too right, there are so many important things that take priority over coins, I have seen some people that have become so enveloped into their coins that they have gone the other way and have nothing but coins... if that’s where their happiness is then good luck to them! Plus spending such money on a coin when you don’t really have that kind of money to spend just totally takes out the fun in coin collecting in my opinion.

Crown over bell C1 Alan Barr crown

A currency issue 1839 half crown sold on ebay US during Christmas holidays, it was in about Very Good to Fair and it sold for around £900 if I remember correctly, I think that was grossly overpriced considering you can buy one in VF for £2500-£3000. I wouldnt be prepared to pay more than £800 for one in Fine... if I was collecting..

Thanks for the very useful help coin watch, I have amended the listing accordingly, and yes I will PM you, I am going away for the weekend so need to go to bed now but when I return I will send you a pic of the crown over bell and we can have a chat. Thanks again for the big help! Mat

Hi Coin watch, your just the man I need at the moment! I don’t have the Barr catalogue my copy disappeared somewhere, I had 27 I think from the Barr sale and over time I am sure I have attached the wrong descriptions to the coins when I sent them to the auction houses, they never seem to check! Please could you compile the correct title for this crown for me? So you’re saying this one I have is only one of two known with these dies? Please could you also look up another one for me out of interest, I sold this with W&W last year: “Charles I Tower Mint under the King crown, group III, type 3a, mintmark crown over bell / crown third horseman FRC XV/XXXI, fine/good fine, apparently 1 of 5 known in private hands, estimated £1,900, realised £1,955.†I was under the impression this one was also 1 of 5 known (crown over bell) but I was told recently that it was actually one of two known! Please could you clarify that for me if it true or not? Sorry if I am asking a lot from you, believe it or not I much much prefer milled coins! Thanks Mat