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Yes, Richard I agree with your own findings. I was just trying to focus on the 7 fonts in the earlier post, not the full date numeral locations. I have actually found 5 slightly different numeral locations on the 1857 Date Style E's. These 5 obverse dies also have die flaws in different locations; that is what helped me realise there must be several obverses with this font, and then go on to examine the minor date differences. I had previously thought that the 'Long 7' variety was rarer than it is. Below are some initial stats from my '5 year' ebay study from yonks ago. I did it just to obtain Long 7 stats, and still need to do some work on other types of 1857, but you can also see the OT/PT split. 1857 Volume Analysis (5 Years all ebay listings) Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4 Year 5 TOTALS OT 27 33 42 43 43 188 32.36% PT 62 62 66 102 101 393 67.64% Cannot See Trident 9 4 2 13 13 41 PT Split Long 7 9 10 7 17 23 66 11.36% Cannot See Date 5 2 1 0 7 15 Other Date Types 48 50 58 85 71 312

Thanks Chris.

I would add that Style E has the base of the 7 pointing to either a tooth (with the 5 over a gap) or a gap (with the 5 over a tooth).

Things which I have noted in second group of pictures:- · Date Style E is the only ‘7’ font which has a different height, at 1.75mm, instead of 1.64mm for all the others. I believe this is the variety recorded by Peck as P1514 (Smaller Date) and Bramah as B24a (Date in much smaller figures). Gouby, however, says “long ‘down’ leg with a short top bar. Possibly scarcer date font type to the other shorter squatter types of 7’s”. Personally, I prefer Gouby’s description, and find the Peck / Bramah ‘smaller’ references to be a bit misleading, even though the 7 is clearly ‘narrower’ on this font. I call it the ‘longer or slender 7’. · The bottom two pictures show coins which I don’t feel fit any of the recorded types. These coins do not have a down tooth which tapers to a point, but are rather a more rectangular shape with a flat end to the ‘tooth’. I have not found these types to be particularly uncommon, so you may well be able to find one if interested in adding to your own collection.

That’s nice thanks Mike / Bruce. I will attach two sets of 4 pictures, in two posts due to limit of 500MB (i.e. 8 different coins in total). These have all been taken at 140x mag. and by slipping different coins under the lens without changing any microscope settings. You will see that I have indicated the Gouby Date Style, where known, and also measured the height of the different looking numeral 7’s. I have not pictured Gouby Date Style B because I believe the numeral 7 to be same font style as Gouby Date Style A, it just has numerals 5 and 7 closer together. I can add a further picture of Gouby Date Style B, however, if you wish to see…..please ask. Things which I have noted in first group of pictures:- · On Gouby website, for Date Style C, he says “The 7 has no down tooth at end of top bar”. My picture indicates, however, that there may be a tiny down tooth, perhaps the remains of a once longer tooth. The other thing I have noted is that Date Style C appears paired with both PT and OT reverses, and these are from 2 different obverse dies with slightly differing numeral spacings, and repairs to numeral 8. Again, I can add full date pictures for both PT and OT Date Style C’s if anyone wishes to see these. Date Style C’s are quite difficult to find. · I am unsure how to classify the picture bottom right, hence the Gouby ? Thoughts welcomed.

so some talk on a facebook group about Edward I class 1c pennies, and punctuation, led to me photographing mine, posted all in a group, mainly to compare and was informed of something, (they are quite knowledgeable) I own 4 1c's as part of my Edward I collection, this one I bought a few years ago and only went for it due to the the reverse N's being different. I was informed it was a class 1C/D mule, which is logical after its mentioned, as the 1D pennies had larger lettering, as this reverse does, from what I am told about this particular variation is that there only ONE other example known, in the British Museum, has anyone seen any more of these... anywhere?

Yes, this was a swift addition after they'd sold out. They wisely realised there was a lot more money to be made out of minting a few more sets. They're still asking silly money on Ebay, though: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354272064282?hash=item527c42b31a:g:ZkYAAOSw9qFjHH3m&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoL3S7E1IAbOGDTxFKFqBtRKqOeLsN5qrVXScqXw7frUhCr10UB%2BXv1UF%2FFcL0DQaWwznwOncOxxdWI1JLeoT4rfjSMehjiUQJRVXiyu%2BiV99Q3154ida1zcQr3aZL41cgGJoBUjHk69jp%2BivQ0WjpgEuGjzU10MNWotqwMM%2B3r%2FCqwSpiR1Nty4cDtvBMVU%2BKjoQfXpfzpGOcEkh2bKrbZo%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR5LD2oflYA