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#1 davidrj

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 01:22 PM

Thought it handy to have a thread for foreign stuff members may accrue

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 05:11 PM

Thought it handy to have a thread for foreign stuff members may accrue

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Bet it never gets as big as the British thread. Just a thought :P

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 05:36 PM


Thought it handy to have a thread for foreign stuff members may accrue

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Bet it never gets as big as the British thread. Just a thought :P


True, probably Scott and I mainly

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 09:52 PM



Thought it handy to have a thread for foreign stuff members may accrue

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Bet it never gets as big as the British thread. Just a thought :P


True, probably Scott and I mainly

:)

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How could I forget scott! The thread may well grow to the size of the other then :lol:

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 01:56 PM

not by that much.
anywho the foreign bits to my purchases.
france
1855 M 5 centimes
1923 1 franc, VF+ with rainbow tones
.1941. zinc 10 centimes again in good knick
1942 vichy franc VF
1949 1 franc VF
germany
1912 A 2 pfennig F
1914 E 10 pfennig VF
1921 F 50 pfennig EF
1948 G 1 pfennig (been after a 1948 for a while, finally got one :D) VF
USA
1 cent 1911 - fair lol
5 cents 1949 - VF
canada
1943 brass 5 cents - VF
malaya
1948 20 cents EF
BWA
6 pence 1940 VF
Australia
1 penny 1943 VF
spain
DIEZ cents
1941 - F
1953 - EF
switzerland
1941 1 rappen aEF
ireland
1935 - 1/2D - VF
sweden
1950 5 ore (iron)
norway
1957 - 10 ore
turkey
1999 - 50,000 lira world food programme - UNC
poland
1949 1 grosz - EF
peru
1993 - 1 centimo aUNC

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 07:18 PM

not by that much.
anywho the foreign bits to my purchases.
france
1855 M 5 centimes
1923 1 franc, VF+ with rainbow tones
.1941. zinc 10 centimes again in good knick
1942 vichy franc VF
1949 1 franc VF
germany
1912 A 2 pfennig F
1914 E 10 pfennig VF
1921 F 50 pfennig EF
1948 G 1 pfennig (been after a 1948 for a while, finally got one :D) VF
USA
1 cent 1911 - fair lol
5 cents 1949 - VF
canada
1943 brass 5 cents - VF
malaya
1948 20 cents EF
BWA
6 pence 1940 VF
Australia
1 penny 1943 VF
spain
DIEZ cents
1941 - F
1953 - EF
switzerland
1941 1 rappen aEF
ireland
1935 - 1/2D - VF
sweden
1950 5 ore (iron)
norway
1957 - 10 ore
turkey
1999 - 50,000 lira world food programme - UNC
poland
1949 1 grosz - EF
peru
1993 - 1 centimo aUNC



How's your collection of 1940s Irish floríns scott? :D

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 02:08 PM

A couple of new foreign "pennies"


Netherlands East Indies (Indonesia) 1907 2½ cents, 31mm copper, mintage 3,000,000

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very hard to find these in any grade better than VG with green gunge


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 02:09 PM

A couple of new foreign "pennies"


The second one is very low grade but rare, the French 10 centimes 1853K Bordeaux mint is a scarce coin with a mintage of just 1,268,672, this one has the rare error of a vertical vine leaf to the right of the date

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Here's my "normal" 1853K with a horizontal vine leaf

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 02:27 PM

We have bloodied their noses a few times,I still like their onions...wine,,,brandy...cavalados...goose...label rouge...they do whiff a bit but hey.I love me Calais mint... :P

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 02:49 PM


A couple of new foreign "pennies"


The second one is very low grade but rare, the French 10 centimes 1853K Bordeaux mint is a scarce coin with a mintage of just 1,268,672, this one has the rare error of a vertical vine leaf to the right of the date


Those awfull french things ! I have 3 now, they just seem to breed from no where, one has no mint mark on it due to being eaten ! but it's an 1861 and I think it's a K due to the hammer and pickaxe ? as is on the obverse of the other one, the other two have a K 1863, and 1862 with a B that looks like its been double struck slightly to the right, so its a BB. I hide them in my drawer so they don't make my other coins look ugly :lol: .
If you have it and it's shiny, I lost it earlier and I want it back RIGHT now.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:44 AM

Another from France

But this one is a nice chunk of copper from Matthew Boulton at the Soho mint

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Moneron de 5 sols 1792

Not uncommon, but nice to find one with some original lustre and very few knocks

thought it worth the €40 I paid for it

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:44 PM

That's interesting David. What denomination is it though?
Going back to your 10C I have seen a lot of these with PEARS SOAP imprinted across them.I think it is something similar to the Lloyds Weekly Newspapers coins as a publicity stunt?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:29 PM

That's interesting David. What denomination is it though?


5 sols, but only exchangeable for assignats (practically worthless notes)

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Les Frères Monneron was built up in England by Matthew Boulton, thanks to the steam engine of James Watt, producing 2 and 5 sols coins in great quantities in the Soho factory in Birmingham from the end of 1791.

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Posted ImageWatt's steam engine.

These pieces of necessity money eased the coinage shortage then current in France and their technical and aesthetic quality was much superiour to mediocre base metal issues produced by official sources.

In March 1792, the Monnerons went bankrupt and Pierre fled. His brother Augustin took over the business, but a law of 3 May 1792 forbade the production of money by private concerns. In September a decree forbade the commercialisation of confidence-coins. These necessity coins were in circulation until the end of 1793.



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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:47 PM

That's interesting David. What denomination is it though?
Going back to your 10C I have seen a lot of these with PEARS SOAP imprinted across them.I think it is something similar to the Lloyds Weekly Newspapers coins as a publicity stunt?


Clever advertising by the makers of Pears Soap!


There was a law prohibiting the defacing the monarch’s portrait, so the use of British coins for advertising was not permissible. The company president ordered about a quarter million bronze coins from France, which are approximately the same size as the British penny and were generally accepted in circulation.


These pieces circulated widely for a few years before the Parliament decided that they were unlawful and ordered them confiscated and destroyed.

I have a few, but a high grade example is on my wants list

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:44 AM


That's interesting David. What denomination is it though?


5 sols, but only exchangeable for assignats (practically worthless notes)

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Les Frères Monneron was built up in England by Matthew Boulton, thanks to the steam engine of James Watt, producing 2 and 5 sols coins in great quantities in the Soho factory in Birmingham from the end of 1791.

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Posted ImageWatt's steam engine.

These pieces of necessity money eased the coinage shortage then current in France and their technical and aesthetic quality was much superiour to mediocre base metal issues produced by official sources.

In March 1792, the Monnerons went bankrupt and Pierre fled. His brother Augustin took over the business, but a law of 3 May 1792 forbade the production of money by private concerns. In September a decree forbade the commercialisation of confidence-coins. These necessity coins were in circulation until the end of 1793.


A nice example David, well worth your purchase price.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:45 AM

Its fascinating how many different tangents you are able to follow through coin collecting...I never thought of emergency coins as another area. I am so enjoying collecting engraved cois as they come on the back of such a variety of different currencies, issues, materials shapes and sizes. Thanks for that intersting info David. :)

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 02:11 PM

Another from France

But this one is a nice chunk of copper from Matthew Boulton at the Soho mint

Moneron de 5 sols 1792

Not uncommon, but nice to find one with some original lustre and very few knocks

thought it worth the €40 I paid for it

:)

David



Nice chunk of download too :lol:

But it is a beauty, I agree. Even though I don't really collect that kind of thing in anger, if I saw it at an auction I'd be tempted to make a bid.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 04:52 PM

Its fascinating how many different tangents you are able to follow through coin collecting...I never thought of emergency coins as another area. I am so enjoying collecting engraved cois as they come on the back of such a variety of different currencies, issues, materials shapes and sizes. Thanks for that intersting info David. :)

Don't be tempted. Things could get horribly expensive when it comes to siege issues. A decent Newark will set you back a couple grand, a Pontefract at least double that, a Carlisle at least seven or eight times and if you are seriously thinking about a Scarborough you might find you have a lot of friends. :)

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 01:14 PM

Hi guys. Here’s a recent acquisition of mine. It’s a Masonic “penny” although it’s not a penny but an 1854 half dollar and very toned!.

Anyone know anything about the masons? Or maybe you have some first hand experience?! :ph34r:
I’ve read that the coins are supposed to represent the original wages of a stone mason.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 02:18 PM

Debbie, you've got yourself a good one. You don't see too many hand engraved Masonic Pennies.
The usual rubric is something like:
"They received every man a penny".
Wages, probably not. Just a little more of the ritual.
HTWSSTKS is an acronym for:
Hiram, Tyrian Widow's Son, Sendeth To King Solomon.
Masonic charitable works are often referred to as being for "the Widow's Son"
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 05:37 PM

Hi guys. Here’s a recent acquisition of mine. It’s a Masonic “penny” although it’s not a penny but an 1854 half dollar and very toned!.

Anyone know anything about the masons? Or maybe you have some first hand experience?! :ph34r:
I’ve read that the coins are supposed to represent the original wages of a stone mason.


Nah. Well, not saying :D

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 07:08 PM

Thanks for that info Bagtrap - how did you come up with that user name? :) I did wonder what the letters stood for. How long have the Masons been going, does anyone know?
Peck I'm sure that's not the secret handshake!

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 07:19 PM

Thanks for that info Bagtrap - how did you come up with that user name? :) I did wonder what the letters stood for. How long have the Masons been going, does anyone know?
Peck I'm sure that's not the secret handshake!


Freemasonry has been around since late medieval times but its popularity really took off in the early 17th century. Most days I walk past a masonic hall but it became privately owned in the mid-20th century as the Masons were very much in decline. I understand that it is now seeing somewhat of a rise, but I cannot personally attest that. :rolleyes:

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 07:41 PM

I'm exempt due to El Poperino saying he would cut me off if I joined :huh:

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:27 PM

Today it is all about "networking"
I'm booked into a day of it soon....I shall turn up in Jeans and Rugby shirt.
At one time I was attending high powered meetings in London..I even joined the rat race of gold cuff links,Rolex and subtle flashes of quality.I loved to pull the top of my Asda George underpants over the belt of my Prada trousers. B)
Anyone here had association with the Buffs ?

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 08:18 AM

So Peter do you still get given a coin? :)

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 09:14 AM

So Peter do you still get given a coin? :)


Years ago a large group of aquaintance's got together and formed a club (OIC)it stood for over indulgence club.It worked to an extent but Mrs Peter wasn't too happy.(Partners were invited to a do once a year) ;)
It is not running now but favouritism still exists.
I am aware of the Buffs more than Masons but have never taken that further step.

Keep posting the Masonic items...very interesting and opens interesting google subjects :)

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:39 PM

Keep posting the Masonic items...very interesting and opens interesting google subjects :)



Here is one for you Peter. Cannot remember where this came from. Weight 11.68g Diameter 31.9mm 2mm thick.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 02:48 PM


Keep posting the Masonic items...very interesting and opens interesting google subjects :)



Here is one for you Peter. Cannot remember where this came from. Weight 11.68g Diameter 31.9mm 2mm thick.


Nice
It happened and always will happen.I now look at the wider perspective. If the £ isn't too different I will always buy Suffolk,East Anglian,English,British,Western Europe,Commonwealth in that order.
My exceptions are Label Rouge French products.(even if those armpits smell and the majority are soap dodgers) :P

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:55 AM

Thanks for that info Bagtrap - how did you come up with that user name? :) I did wonder what the letters stood for. How long have the Masons been going, does anyone know?
Peck I'm sure that's not the secret handshake!



I think they trace their "lineage" back to the Knights Templar, which was in the time of those awfully nice Crusader people.