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  2. Posted · Edited by DrLarry

    Ijust wanted to take a quick look back to the florin and see if there is a variation I am looking at the number of pearls in the crown I thought at first they are different but just as likely down to slight blockages 

     

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  3. Posted · Edited by DrLarry

    letter variations? to me the negative space between the letters differs looking at the H and the I and the width of the S 

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  4. Posted · Edited by DrLarry

    It is possible there is some minor variation in the thickness of the lettering on the reverse however sometimes these things look different if the coating is complete .  this is the example which is much thicker but could just as easily be explained away by variation  in the sheet from which they are pressed  

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  6. Posted · Edited by DrLarry

    Rogers only describes  one type of young head shilling #415  and certainly within the four I have I can see absolute similarity in the lettering and the design elements.  Flaws such as on the R's on the Obverse match All are iron coated silver and they are pretty common.   I am unsure of the following statement:  I have a fifth that seems thicker than the rest the edge stands slightly sharper than even the uncirculated ones I have from the set this could of course be nothing more than slight variation in the metal from which it is pressed although this one appears not to have the "blockage or break" to the R's. it does weigh 0.05 gram heavier and i'd say 0.2 mm thicker 

    If we assume these early "young Heads" are the first of the Lauer series, whilst they are not uncommon, perhaps we can think that a new product presented to the market might well have been made in smaller numbers than subsequent issues in the 1880's.  Discuss. 

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    I am happy to say that we may soon be getting a lot more discussion going as Thomas Engelen will hopefully be joining in on some of the thread.  He has just published the update of Gunter Aschoff's work and also a wonderfully helpful new publication available on Cardboard coins.  He like Gunter believes the circular box with the skyline of Nuremberg content is not original.  He has found several other designs for the boxes other than the 4 I mentioned , Gunter already has shown in his work how varied the boxes are.  So things are looking up I know David Caves (cardboard coin collector) has also tried to register on the forum but there may be an issue with his email.  In time I am sure new things will come up and or we can compare observations and I am happy there will be more of us.  

  13. Posted · Edited by DrLarry

    A new lead and access to the book on German toy coins with additions by Thomas Engelen is now available on the free portal at Newman Numismatics portal 

    message from him yesterday : 

    I have therefor updated both these two works but also added new finds, plus expanded their scope. They have been posted on-line for free consultation and download at the Newman Numismatic Portal, Washington University, St. Louis, USA. On these two :

     

    Cardboard coins of Great Britain 1847 – 1980, including those for the commonwealth countries. An expansion of the David Evans work (Galata ), with many additional coins but also some new series (a near complete 1897 Diamond jubilee series for instance), and now including the toy / post office / play boxes of which these cardboard coins were part of. Includes a guide to rarity and pricing, however subjective that may be. As a “teaser” the cardboard Gothic Crown 1847 on its cover,

     

    Deutsches Kinderspielgeld, an update and expansion of the work by Günter Aschoff but with 15 new series &  it now also lists the toy banknotes, additional toy boxes, plus the details of coin s by Lauer, Balmberger, Mayer struck for 20 countries. The catalogue is in German, the part on 20 “export” countries in English.

     

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    2 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

    NGC get plenty wrong ,some more so than others.

    The coin label has now been changed and the coin not mine ,imagine getting this back 😂

     

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    There is a degree of absolute blind faith in the NGC it would not shock me if this would lead to a re-writing of the text books as a new variety 

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    The company L. Chr. Lauer from Nuremberg
    Already in 1430 the guild of the Rechenpfennig-beaters, later also affectionate
    Brass scraper or called Dantesmacher, mentioned in the Nuremberg Chronicle. Here is
    to look for the roots of the "Lauer" company. It is mentioned by name in 1730
    Association with the production of "kitsch objects and inexpensive metal objects".
    In 1790 Ernst Ludwig Sigmund Lauer 1762 -1845 founded one
    Penny Brawl Workshop. This company was managed by Johann Jakob Lauer from 1790 to 1865
    further and in 1847 his son L. Christoph Lauer took over the factory from 1817 to 1873. Circa1850
    Ludwig Christian Lauer already had a supremacy in Germany and that in the
    Time when the "German Guild of Toy Manufacturers" in Europe created the e

     

    I have taken a look and all the other companies listed do not really seem to start until at earliest 1850.  Lauer stretches back a long way.  That is not to say that these numerous spiel markes could not date later than 1850 ( Balmberger) many I have are stamped with Lauers name.  Not that I have a lot of them 

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    1. Game money for board, dice and card games, with stakes and winnings.
    Coins were included with complex board games. In 1850, for example, the board game was
    "King of China" already provided with punched brass coins. For second quality games
    cardboard coins were used, and the players were left with the cheap games
    left to make up the gains or the losses with peas, buttons or nuts.

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    15 hours ago, copper123 said:

    I have around 35 different pieces all different some of the reverses feature various animals and or other subjects - I strongly suspect they were for various board games like "monopoly" but we never will be sure unless someone comes across a full box , highly unlikely as they weere relatively expensive in early victorian times.

    The other posibility is they were used as card counters

    yes I think the card counter idea the most likely I know that Gunther has a section I will take a look 

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    57 minutes ago, copper123 said:

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    I have never been sure as to the purpose of these spiel markes  were they part of some kind of collecting or a game?  perhaps the pokamon of the 19th C   a very swiss chocolate looking cow ...nice 

  21. Posted

    David who is cataloguing cardboard coins has just written to me to say that he has never seen them before so are unlisted varieties.   He has greater expertise on these types of educational coins . 

  22. Posted · Edited by DrLarry

    there are about 30 of each +/- 5  so may well have been part of an educational set ...none of the other denominations  

     

    I am not sure ( may be a clue) why the titles FID DEF IND INR are used were they ? for use in INDIA ? INR the monetary prefix for the rupee 

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