Bank of England 3s 1812 Armour bust variations

[seuk]

While RJ Marles (Collectors George III Coins) lists a number of variations of the 1811 3s there's only one type of 1812 mentioned. However I have two coins with slightly different reverse design (obverses seems identical).

I) Thick stalks - acorn to the left between leaves.

II) Thin stalks - acorn centred between leaves.

As I only have these two coins avalible for study there's probably more variations to be found. Btw. Marles states that the number of acrons in wreath is 26 but mine both have 27!

[Rob]

While RJ Marles (Collectors George III Coins) lists a number of variations of the 1811 3s there's only one type of 1812 mentioned. However I have two coins with slightly different reverse design (obverses seems identical).

I) Thick stalks - acorn to the left between leaves.

II) Thin stalks - acorn centred between leaves.

As I only have these two coins avalible for study there's probably more variations to be found. Btw. Marles states that the number of acrons in wreath is 26 but mine both have 27!

You need a copy of ESC. The number of acorns varies between 24 and 27 and there are also variations in laurel wreath pointing.

[seuk]

While RJ Marles (Collectors George III Coins) lists a number of variations of the 1811 3s there's only one type of 1812 mentioned. However I have two coins with slightly different reverse design (obverses seems identical).

I) Thick stalks - acorn to the left between leaves.

II) Thin stalks - acorn centred between leaves.

As I only have these two coins avalible for study there's probably more variations to be found. Btw. Marles states that the number of acrons in wreath is 26 but mine both have 27!

You need a copy of ESC. The number of acorns varies between 24 and 27 and there are also variations in laurel wreath pointing.

So it it simply an error by Marles? He lists those variations of 1811 but not of 1812...

[Rob]

Sorry, not paying attention to the question. The only things listed in ESC for 1812 are a 26 acorn reverse with the first obverse and the illustrated reverse which doesn't indicate the number of acorns but is classed as reverse 2 as opposed to 1² and paired with the second obverse. Given that all references are incomplete, it would not be surprising to find an unlisted variety because 4 wreath punches were used in 1811 and so for the 1812 first bust coins, once you have more than 1 reverse die, any of the previous year's punches could come into play. The biggest problem is likely to be the lack of previously published research because the series isn't popular.

[seuk]

Sorry, not paying attention to the question. The only things listed in ESC for 1812 are a 26 acorn reverse with the first obverse and the illustrated reverse which doesn't indicate the number of acorns but is classed as reverse 2 as opposed to 1² and paired with the second obverse. Given that all references are incomplete, it would not be surprising to find an unlisted variety because 4 wreath punches were used in 1811 and so for the 1812 first bust coins, once you have more than 1 reverse die, any of the previous year's punches could come into play. The biggest problem is likely to be the lack of previously published research because the series isn't popular.

Ok - guess the '26 acorn' is a writing error then. It would be unlikely that both my coin should be different from the gerneral type. Except for the stalks both reverses are using the same punches for leaves and letters etc.

[Gollum]

I have no clue as to what coin this is so can someone post a full picture please.

[Rob]

I have no clue as to what coin this is so can someone post a full picture please.

One of these

[Gollum]

Thank you Rob, I did look at one on ebay last night when I saw this, but it didn't seem to match so was wondering.