1911 shilling

[wasswasp]

Hi can any body show me the two types of 1911 shilling with the l of GEORGIUS to bead fuller neck and shallow neck please

[Rob]

Scan below. The one on the left is the first type with the deeper hollow behind the beard (much more obvious in the hand). The right hand one is the later shallow type. The first was found with both I of GEORGIVS to bead and space, so any 1911 1/- with the I to space is the deeper cut (Davis obv.1). Davies obv. 2 is the same effigy with the I to bead. The shallow neck was introduced in 1911 (Davies obv. 3) and adopted as standard from 1912 onwards, so any coin from 1912 until the end of 925 silver is this type.

Edited May 12, 2011 by Rob

[wasswasp]

Scan below. The one on the left is the first type with the deeper hollow behind the beard (much more obvious in the hand). The right hand one is the later shallow type. The first was found with both I of GEORGIVS to bead and space, so any 1911 1/- with the I to space is the deeper cut (Davis obv.1). Davies obv. 2 is the same effigy with the I to bead. The shallow neck was introduced in 1911 (Davies obv. 3) and adopted as standard from 1912 onwards, so any coin from 1912 until the end of 925 silver is this type.

thank you very much for your help

[wasswasp]

Scan below. The one on the left is the first type with the deeper hollow behind the beard (much more obvious in the hand). The right hand one is the later shallow type. The first was found with both I of GEORGIVS to bead and space, so any 1911 1/- with the I to space is the deeper cut (Davis obv.1). Davies obv. 2 is the same effigy with the I to bead. The shallow neck was introduced in 1911 (Davies obv. 3) and adopted as standard from 1912 onwards, so any coin from 1912 until the end of 925 silver is this type.

thank you very much for your help

Can anybody add to this, what is the best way to identifie the difference between the two coins

[Nick]

Can anybody add to this, what is the best way to identifie the difference between the two coins

I'm not 100% certain, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. If you look at the muscle in George's neck, you will see the front edge is visible on both varieties. However, the rearward edge is only really visible on the 'shallow' neck variety ie you should see a slight depression forming a line from just above the BM on the truncation towards the bottom of the hairline.

[declanwmagee]

Can anybody add to this, what is the best way to identifie the difference between the two coins

I'm not 100% certain, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. If you look at the muscle in George's neck, you will see the front edge is visible on both varieties. However, the rearward edge is only really visible on the 'shallow' neck variety ie you should see a slight depression forming a line from just above the BM on the truncation towards the bottom of the hairline.

Best explanation I've seen, Nick - good one!

I've got 3 types of 1911 shilling to look out for, in my ever growing list:

Obv 1 Rev A, Davies 1790: I of GEORGIVS and D of DEI between beads, hollow neck

Obv 2 Rev A, Davies 1791 (commonest): I of GEORGIVS and D of DEI at a bead, hollow neck

Obv 3 Rev A, Davies 1792 (scarcest): I of GEORGIVS and D of DEI at a bead, flat neck

[gpwallis]

Agree with Nick #5: the hollow neck variety has a clear short "trough"/depression running up the back of the neck above the BM, clear even on quite worn coins as the depression is usually darker. If in doubt, easy to compare with 1912 onwards.