Guest Andy Aitken Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 While cleaning out the attic, I found a coin with strange markings. On one side there is a windmill and in English, the words, 'NEW 2 PENCE' and the year 1971 at the bottom. On the reverse, there is what looks like the English three lions crest and the words, 'S BALLIVIE INSVLE DEGERNERE VE'.I am absolutely baffled by this coin as it appears to be British but does not have the Queen's head or any other recognisable markings.Can anyone shed any light on the origin of this coin. Quote
Half Penny Jon Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 I would say that as well because of the 3 lions. Jersey coins don't always have the portrait of the queen. Quote
william Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 While cleaning out the attic, I found a coin with strange markings. On one side there is a windmill and in English, the words, 'NEW 2 PENCE' and the year 1971 at the bottom. On the reverse, there is what looks like the English three lions crest and the words, 'S BALLIVIE INSVLE DEGERNERE VE'.I am absolutely baffled by this coin as it appears to be British but does not have the Queen's head or any other recognisable markings.Can anyone shed any light on the origin of this coin. Well I don't have a clue what that is. I have a 1971 two pence from Jersey, on the reverse it has the legend BAILIWICK OF JERSEY, and below that in the centre of the coin it has a shield with the three English lions in it, and below that another legend reads TWO NEW PENCE 1971. On the reverse the legend is QUEEN ELIZABETH THE SECOND, and it has the Machin (!!! ) portrait of Elizabeth. I can even attach a pic if necessary. So I don't think this is from Jersey... Quote
Sylvester Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 yeah i know i've got some exactly like yours. But i also had a ten pence which was more like the other coin originally described.Guernsey? Quote
william Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 It could be Guernsey I suppose, but I don't know for sure as I don't have one! Quote
Master Jmd Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 (edited) I have one, but i dont know anything of it : (hope the pic helps) Edited April 25, 2004 by Master J.M.D Quote
Master Jmd Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 hehe...i found this:Gurnsey;Denomination GF VF XF UNC Notes 2 New Pence £0.30 $0.50 £0.50 $0.75 £0.60 $0.95 Dated 1971 (windmill) Quote
Master Jmd Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 the site also says this:XF - A coin with original lustre, 95% superb, good detail over most of the coin, but may have small imperfections Quote
william Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 Ah, so it is about the same as AUNC or GEF! Quote
Master Jmd Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 Ah, so it is about the same as AUNC or GEF! probably... Quote
william Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 Good, I've been wondering what it meant for ages! Quote
Half Penny Jon Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 I don't like american grading because they dont look for the same things as the British grading system. Quote
Sylvester Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 No chaps you is getting confused.The US use these gradesMS - Mint State (unc) the lower MS grades are equal to our AUNC-GEF.AU - What we'd call AUNC, it's equal to EF-GEFXF - Extremely fine (but they use X as in X-tremely, you see?) Equal to our VF-AEFVF - Very fine, equal to our F-VFF - Fine, equal to our VGG - Equal to our Fair.FAIR - We'd call it poor. Quote
william Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 Is XF American? Yeah I agree Penny Master, apparently Americans think a coin has to have lustre (or as they would say it, 'luster') to be UNC, but coins will eventually lose their lustre and start to develop a tone, but they can still be UNC! Quote
william Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 No chaps you is getting confused.The US use these gradesMS - Mint State (unc) the lower MS grades are equal to our AUNC-GEF.AU - What we'd call AUNC, it's equal to EF-GEFXF - Extremely fine (but they use X as in X-tremely, you see?) Equal to our VF-AEFVF - Very fine, equal to our F-VFF - Fine, equal to our VGG - Equal to our Fair.FAIR - We'd call it poor. Oh I see...! Americans always have to do it differently don't they! Quote
Half Penny Jon Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 I know, the grading system is so wrong. I can't believe they would favour a shiny coin instead of a nicely toned proof. Quote
william Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 I would much rather have a nicely toned coin, not one that looks as if it's been cleaned! Quote
Half Penny Jon Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 My point exactly, it is a shame that the American grading system cannot accept the sheer beauty of a nicely toned proof. Quote
william Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 Yes it is. I especially like nicely toned copper UNC coins, and that bluish tone you sometimes get on silver coins Quote
Sylvester Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 if you really want to get into complexities...They grade on a 70 point number scale 1=poor, 70 = perfect.(our grades in brackets)MS70 = Perfect (IMPOSSIBLE)MS68-69 = Near perfect (Gem UNC)MS65-67 = Above average (BU)MS63-64 = Average (UNC)MS61-62 = Below average (AUNC-UNC)MS60 = Lowest grade required to be UNC, (AUNC)AU58 = Near UNC (AUNC)AU55 = average AU (GEF)AU53 = Below average AU (EF-GEF)AU50 = Lowest to be AU (EF)XF45 = Decent XF (GVF-EF)XF40 = Lowest to be XF (VF)VF35 = Above average VF (AVF)VF30 = Average VF (GF)VF25 = Below Average VF (F)VF20 = Minimum to be VF (AF)F15 = Above average F (VG)F12 = Below average F (AVG)VG10 = Top VG (G)VG8 = Average VG (AG)G6 = Top G (GFair)G4 = Bottom G (Fair)AG3 = Almost good (AFair)Fair-2 = fair (Poor)Poor-1 = poor (Blank disc)Understand now? Quote
Half Penny Jon Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 I like the rainbow toning on Silver proof soins such as the 1847 gothic florin which is absolutely beautiful. Quote
Sylvester Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 i think you'll find toned coins are very very popular in the US, but they are usualy rainbow toned or pastel toned...Kinda like this...http://home.earthlink.net/~jrsnake/(i'd dip all of those). Quote
william Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 I understand now. Is that slabbing Sylvester? Yes I also love rainbow toning - it looks great on the most beautiful coins like gothic/godless florins, and gothic crowns! Quote
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