Hocking or Wyon

[Teg]

Hello,

does anyone have either the Hocking catalogue of the R.M. museum, or the biog. of Wyon?

I am interested in what they might say about the dies for the 1821 farthing.

Thanks

Teg

[Rob]

Hello,

does anyone have either the Hocking catalogue of the R.M. museum, or the biog. of Wyon?

I am interested in what they might say about the dies for the 1821 farthing.

Thanks

Teg

From Hocking vol.1.

Date of Currency Proclamation 14/11/1821

Ref. 1887. Farthing, first issue, 1821. Obv. GEORGIUS IIII DEI GRATIA. Bust laureated, and draped, to left. Rev. BRITANNIAR: REX FID: DEF: Britannia helmeted and draped seated to right, holding in her right habd, which also suports a shield, a laurel branch, and in her left a trident; by her left side a lion couchant,; in the exergue, the date. Plain edge.

From Hocking vol.2

ref. 956 Matrix. Obv. (first issue), laureate and draped bust to left; legend, GEORGIUS IIII DEI GRATIA. See coin no. 1887. By W. Wyon

ref. 957 Punch obv., as the matrix no. 956

ref.958 Die. obv. as the matrix no. 956

ref. 959. Matrix. Rev. (first issue), 1821. Britannia helmeted and draped seated to right with shield, laurel branch and trident; at her left side a lion couchant; date below: BRITANNIAR: REX FID: DEF: See coin no 1887. By W.Wyon

Nothing you didn't know already. Sorry, no biography of Wyon.

Edited March 1, 2007 by Rob

[Teg]

Hello,

does anyone have either the Hocking catalogue of the R.M. museum, or the biog. of Wyon?

I am interested in what they might say about the dies for the 1821 farthing.

Thanks

Teg

From Hocking vol.1.

Date of Currency Proclamation 14/11/1821

Ref. 1887. Farthing, first issue, 1821. Obv. GEORGIUS IIII DEI GRATIA. Bust laureated, and draped, to left. Rev. BRITANNIAR: REX FID: DEF: Britannia helmeted and draped seated to right, holding in her right habd, which also suports a shield, a laurel branch, and in her left a trident; by her left side a lion couchant,; in the exergue, the date. Plain edge.

From Hocking vol.2

ref. 956 Matrix. Obv. (first issue), laureate and draped bust to left; legend, GEORGIUS IIII DEI GRATIA. See coin no. 1887. By W. Wyon

ref. 957 Punch obv., as the matrix no. 956

ref.958 Die. obv. as the matrix no. 956

ref. 959. Matrix. Rev. (first issue), 1821. Britannia helmeted and draped seated to right with shield, laurel branch and trident; at her left side a lion couchant; date below: BRITANNIAR: REX FID: DEF: See coin no 1887. By W.Wyon

Nothing you didn't know already. Sorry, no biography of Wyon.

Rob,

thanks a lot, that is spot on!

Peck missed a lot with his 'trial pieces' for GIV farthings.

A Pistrucci Obv. and Wyon Rev. was always going to be interesting.

Lots of room for speculation.

I must try and arrange a visit to the Mint Museum.

Thanks again for the info!

Teg

[Teg]

Just to clarify,

Peck states that the Obv. is by Pistrucci.

Ruding (and now Hocking) say Wyon.

Unlike Peck to "correct" Ruding and Hocking - without comment.

Teg

[Rob]

Just to clarify,

Peck states that the Obv. is by Pistrucci.

Ruding (and now Hocking) say Wyon.

Unlike Peck to "correct" Ruding and Hocking - without comment.

Teg

Montagu also states Pistrucci. We know that Peck used Montagu references. It is possible that he took Montagu's statement as gospel without consulting the others. There are no Hocking references that I can think of in Peck.

[Teg]

Henry also states Benedetto Pistrucci.

Of course Montague's story about Pistrucci falls a little flat if it was Wyon.

Peck has Hocking's vol 1 in his Bibliography - though as a lesser work.

He quotes a mistake of Snelling - copied by Hocking, in a footnote about GI

halfpennies. This note after another, debating who engraved the halfpenny

reverse!

My best guess is Obv. designed by Pistrucci engraved by Wyon.

Rev. designed and engraved by Wyon. (which would make Coincraft's

comment "His treatment(B.P.) of Britannia was little better, cumbersome and

pretentious...etc, etc" a bit rich.)

Still working on this, will let you know any outcome.

Teg

[Rob]

Henry also states Benedetto Pistrucci.

Of course Montague's story about Pistrucci falls a little flat if it was Wyon.

Peck has Hocking's vol 1 in his Bibliography - though as a lesser work.

He quotes a mistake of Snelling - copied by Hocking, in a footnote about GI

halfpennies. This note after another, debating who engraved the halfpenny

reverse!

My best guess is Obv. designed by Pistrucci engraved by Wyon.

Rev. designed and engraved by Wyon. (which would make Coincraft's

comment "His treatment(B.P.) of Britannia was little better, cumbersome and

pretentious...etc, etc" a bit rich.)

Still working on this, will let you know any outcome.

Teg

The references to Wyon are in Hocking vol.2 and not vol.1, so he still could have missed it. Just thinking aloud, but it seems to me that with a range of options and views, the most likely one to be correct ought to be the one in the book which has the information sourced from the Mint itself. i.e. Hocking. It's not a guarantee of accuracy, but given that he worked for the Mint Museum and presumably had access to all the available information at any time he liked, then you would expect his account to be the most accurate.