Charles Ist Penny

[Citizen H]

as far as I can tell its.......

Charles I

1 Penny

possibly 1630 - 32

Oxford?

Weight 0.46 Grms 

not totally sure what group it could be?  🤔

all and any clarification greatly welcome. 👍

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Citizen H

[Rob]

Tower Mint Charles I, 4th bust, Group D 3a1 penny, mm. pellet/2 pellets (assuming no extra pellets off flan), inner circle obverse only, garnished oval shield with no CR, standard legends both sides CAROLVS D G M B F ET H REX / IVSTITIA THRONVM FIRMAT with single pellet stops both sides. S2846.

The bust is not directly comparable with the larger denominations, but broadly follows a style which can be dated 1632-1635, with a preference for the last couple years. It is a single arch crown, but the Gp. E bust typically has a double arched crown and is in any case a very cosmopolitan mix of styles given the introduction of the 'Aberystwyth' bust from 1638. Pennies were struck with pellet(s) as initial marks for most of the reign from 1630 onwards, meaning there is much dating conjecture. Stylistic comparisons seem to give the best results. 

I will do a bit of digging through Dave Greenhalgh's reference collection when I have time and see if I can find a die match. 

Chas. 1 pennies are a bit of a b**ger to find in high grade, with yours being a typical example. Lots of mucky detail, but not much really clear. Your best bet for a good penny of the reign is the last bust which crops up more frequently in thoroughly acceptable condition. Typical examples shown of a few busts.

[Citizen H]

wow, I spent ages with Spink, was right at the point of giving it a Group letter.. then discovered   no inner circles, were as mine has.......! I couldn't find mm, however I did read pellets and was wondering..... 

Rob your examples are nice...in typical fashion mine leave a lot to be desired mucky detail an all .... 🤔 however! again pleased I've manged to slot another one in the page of Pennys.    

many many thanks  Rob its been a great help 👍

[Rob]

Those are all ones I have sold in the past.

I only have 2 hammered (1st issue and portrait) and 1 milled (Briot) in the collection, nothing spectacular, just presentable examples. The first issue is always relatively easy to acquire in reasonable grades, but portraits are a problem. Trust me, for all its shortcomings, the last issue was an upgrade. Briot not included as they are invariably ok and it was too big to add to the post. It is probably more difficult to find a dog than a presentable example of the milled coinage.