1862 Farthing Variety?

[SRSNUM]

Is the subject coin imaged below which appears to exhibit a 3 obverse & a B reverse a known variety or sub-variety? 

The red arrows on the obverse point to areas that exhibit clashing.  The arrows at the right show the clash from the reverse of the shield, and Union Jack emblem on it. The clash at the left arrow shows a raised curved line from an unknown source on the reverse.

The image of the reverse is shown for completeness. Additional magnified images from the reverse are as follow:

The first magnified image shows the upper ‘inside’ loop of the ‘F’ closed by a die chip.  A second die chip is shown below and to the right of upper serif of the ‘F’.  The ‘A’ appears doubled at the outside left of the slanted stroke on the left.

The second magnified image indicates a notch at the outside lower right of the ‘R’ which may indicate doubling of that letter.

The third magnified image shows notches at the upper left serif of the ‘T’ along with doubling at the bottom of that letter.  The image also shows doubling at the top and bottom of the ‘H’. In addition the ‘H’ is ‘closed’ at top and bottom, as the serifs of the top right & top left and those of the bottom right & bottom left are in contact.

The forth magnified image indicates that both the ‘1’ & ‘8’ are triply entered and the ‘6’ is doubly entered.

The fifth magnified image seems to indicate that the date may be of the 'wide type' as both the '1' is far from the '8' and the '2' is far from '6'.

All thoughts welcome.

 

[Peckris 2]

On 8/25/2024 at 9:35 PM, SRSNUM said:

The forth magnified image indicates that both the ‘1’ & ‘8’ are triply entered and the ‘6’ is doubly entered.

The fifth magnified image seems to indicate that the date may be of the 'wide type' as both the '1' is far from the '8' and the '2' is far from '6'.

All thoughts welcome.

 

Interesting. The date on yours is almost identical to mine. However, the non-wonky underlying '1' (yes clearly double punched on yours) is not - or barely - evident on mine, whereas the doubled 8 is, so is the 'twin tailed' 6, and the width of the numerals. It would seem to be the same reverse die.

[SRSNUM]

Thanks Peckris 2 for responding.  It would seem that if your example exhibits the 'closed H' in 'FARTHING' then the dies are likely the same. In addition, my example contains a bifurcated inner circle above the 'I' in 'FARTHING' (see image below).  Should this feature also appear on your example, it would appear the dies are identical, except that my example is in a somewhat later state.  Of course this analysis may prove incorrect, and I may be obliged to go back to square one and start again...

 

The lower part of the bifurcated inner circle eventually terminates in the field.

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2024 by SRSNUM
Thanked the wrong responder... thus the correction with an edit.

[Peckris 2]

7 hours ago, SRSNUM said:

Thanks Peckris 2 for responding.  It would seem that if your example exhibits the 'closed H' in 'FARTHING' then the dies are likely the same. In addition, my example contains a bifurcated inner circle above the 'I' in 'FARTHING' (see image below).  Should this feature also appear on your example, it would appear the dies are identical, except that my example is in a somewhat later state.  Of course this analysis may prove incorrect, and I may be obliged to go back to square one and start again...

 

The lower part of the bifurcated inner circle eventually terminates in the field.

I've just looked, and my example definitely has the bifurcation near the I so it's clearly the same die.

[SRSNUM]

Does your coin exhibit the closed 'H' in 'FARTHING' as well?

[Peckris 2]

6 hours ago, SRSNUM said:

Does your coin exhibit the closed 'H' in 'FARTHING' as well?

That's the one feature I don't take seriously - the farthing legends are so small, and the serifs so pronounced, that effects like you're seeing on the H are almost inevitable. The bifurcation on the other hand is a very definite effect of something happening on the die.

[SRSNUM]

After many comparisons done to convince myself, I believe now that your analysis is correct and that we share a coin from the same reverse die.

Many thanks Peckris 2 for responding and taking the time to share your thoughtful and thorough analysis.  From South Florida USA to SW England...it is much appreciated!