thanx for you reply iv only been collecting for about 1 year,but already thanx to ebay have a very nice coin collection nothing compared to you guy i should think, i started buying coins down the boot sales i would keep the nice ones and sell the rest on at a nice proffit,and then spending the money i made on other coins, i learned so much that now i go round and value other people collections and buy them, NO I DONT RIP THEM OFF.....WELL WE ALL GOT TO MAKE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE i learned so much so fast that i now can not stop,british coin collecting has over taken me, i 28 and my girlfreind thinks im a geek but what the hell, i new about the different dies but never found anywhere that listed them iv only just joined the forum but i hope this will become my new home thanx TheStalker