Tutbury is a known mint for Stephen, though, as is seen with Spink reference 1297. So not the first known. Thanks clive, I am not sure what -- means in the spinks book tbh, but I can not see are find a tutbury mint Stephan coin anywhere, and the words from DR Allan is Ive also been in talks with spinks about the coin in question and and they have never disputed DR Allen on his verdict, Would you please tell me more, Regards Lee