TomGoodheart

Yes. Facebook search is poor. Mainly I suspect because the FB format wasn't really designed for such things as detailed discussion. However it has the numbers as it's still commonly used by people of my age to keep in touch with far-spread family members. A few of us did set up a series of posts detailing the coinage of Charles I on the The Coins of Charles I, King of England, Scotland and Ireland group, but even those seem to be buried now. And yes, @Coinery that's the one. Though like others it's still a sales site for the admins there, it's a bit more active than many and has reasonably interesting content. @Rob I think groups tend to specialise so they don't get swamped with content which, for most members, is of limited interest. Still get Roman, European and modern coins on the English Hammered group Stu highlighted above, but Admins remove them promptly as they fall outside the scope of that group. There are places that have a broader coverage, such as Coin Community Forum, but even there they set aside sub-forums for different areas ... Agreed. The setup here is much better for keeping tabs on things of interest and getting alerts for what's new. And yes, I'm on 'the internet' a lot. About 70 permanently open tabs, several hours every day .. and I still miss things that interest me at times. 😕 But then I don't go to coin fairs, so buying online or bidding, again online, at auction is how I keep building my collection. It's also easier than a trip to the British Museum or Library when I want to do a bit of research, so to me the time 'invested' is worth it ..

I belong to a couple which, occasionally, have more interesting posts. Most I agree appear to have been set up primarily as a selling platform. But a few have a lot of expertise to hand. For example English Hammered and Early Milled has Dave Greenhalgh, Paul Withers, Gary Oddie who a few here may know. But it's hard to keep a group 'educational' and free (or at least not overwhelmed) from 'Need an ID an what's it worth' posts .. Plus, perhaps not unsurprisingly, a fair few dealers are offering their stock on FB before ebay and sometimes in preference to (or at least before) listing on their own sites. It makes it more of a challenge to find things you want before they're snapped up, though I perfectly understand a sale is a sale and when there are over 15000 members to a group, even if only 5% are really active it's a pretty effective platform .. As for here .. I do pop in regularly. However my collecting interests are really very narrow these days and there's not much overlap with the forum content ...

Very nice! Did Shirley suggest they are still working on cabinets at all? Seems a shame there's nobody to take over, though I can quite sympathise if they feel it's time to retire!

I have no control over such things I'm afraid, but I've messaged Chris.

The personal is political

But doesn't that ignore the connections between personal experience and larger social and political structures? Which is perhaps the purpose of weaponising such terms as woke. To get people arguing about the details, while their rights are gradually taken away. Rights aren't like cake. Someone else getting better access to society doesn't mean everyone else gets less. We all gain when society is fairer and it's not unreasonable to judge a society by how it treats it's least members. Unfortunately the focus at the moment seems to be on those that have most and just want more. Not that that's a new thing.

Well, they were generally supportive of womens suffrage and wider access to society. And likely anti-slavery. As for gender, that's a more modern issue as science and society have progressed, though there were people living as another gender as far back as the 19th century .. I expect they would have been labelled 'liberal' and criticised for interfering with a free market and 'tradition' .. Ultimately I see this through the lens of those detective stories where one has to ask 'who benefits/gains from this?' If you are a weak and not particularly popular leader, what better way to dilute your opposition than to get the general population angry about minor issues over the important ones? A 'war' with Ukraine distracts from problems in Russia. Abortion, gender and 'the swamp' distract from poor social support and increasing division of wealth in the US. A focus on homosexuality or religion/race distracts from questions about freedom of assembly, excessive prison terms, killings of opposition supporters elsewhere. Woke is now just a pejorative, like 'anti-fa' or BLM for what a long time ago would probably have been thought of as part of being 'socially conscious'.

To me "woke" is just a dismissive term for things some people don't like. It's become so much a catch all it's almost meaningless beyond a rallying cry. Were philanthropists such as Lever 'woke'? They'd have possibly said they were spreading the ideals of Christian brotherhood. Similarly those who opened university education to women or advanced suffrage. All things that I suggest, were they proposed today, might get shot down by some. Leftists (I include myself) just feel there could be more compassion and recognition of the difficulties faced by 'under-dogs' in society, whether they are poor, an ethnic or religious minority, or differ from the majority in some other way. However it feels as if almost any attempt to provide opportunities for them to achieve their potential, or to recognise that they do struggle because of the attitudes within society, is often labelled as woke. Of course, to question how a number of so called Christian conservatives drifted so far from the message of Christ and now actively focus on issues such as gender, abortion, sexuality, to further divide society and ridicule those that disagree with them, is peak woke. That they play a part in punitive laws against, homosexuality and womens rights being introduced in parts of Africa, Russia or Hungary is not something often discussed in our media. Perhaps because they are busy targeting refugees. How woke of me to suggest it.

All of us will have no doubt benefitted from a few books about coins whether it's just a price guide like CCGB or Coins of England to something more in-depth like Peck. A few members have also commented that old auction sales catalogues can be an interesting and useful resource. So I thought it might be helpful to have a thread where people can make recommendations of anything literature related they feel others might find of interest. .

I have to say, this is all most interesting. I was really missing this sort of thing after Musk dumbed down Twitter and handed it to people with more dollars than sense. But now I can come here and see it all laid out again! Though I'm not sure a small coin forum is quite the replacement for TwiXer the social media world had hoped for.

And where does it leave whoever paid those $millions?

Yes, very disappointing that he persisted with the stories after confronted by the BBC. And does make one (well, me) wonder occasionally about pieces that I've been given minimal provenance for and where they might have come from. Last thing I want is the BM telling me they want something I bought, back for their collections!

@Chris Perkins ?

Very nice. Particularly for a freebie!

The absence of things I want to buy, in the quality I want to buy them in, has allowed the pocket money to build up a bit. (The only advantage to having a rather niche collecting interest!) And hopefully a touch piece might be a bit cheaper than an un-holed Angel! Particularly as I don't mind which mint mark it has. Yes, a bit of a long shot, but it would tick both the Charles I medallion and apotropaic amulet collecting boxes!

Just in case anyone has a spare(!), I'd be interested in adding a Charles i touchpiece (pierced Angel coin) to my collection. I'm also after smaller (about 25mm) Royalist badges from Charles I reign. Anything I don't have or different from mine. Not quite coins related I know, but still numismatic and the market is hardly flush with interesting material at the moment, so I thought no harm in asking.. see below for a pic of the sort of thing I'm talking about (the one shown is a museum replica, but gives you the idea..)

Shirley and her partner took over the name of Peter's business some years ago. They operated out of Nottingham. They made me a tray last October. I paid before the work was done. However they have, as far as I am aware retired. Certainly they were looking for someone to take over from them last year. Sounds .. odd this would pop up now. They were pretty good at keeping me updated on my order so curious there wasn't anything from her before if it's genuine.

This by comparison, is rare, hence the condition! A 'Military and Naval Forces' medal. Supposedly struck at a time Charles was demanding better funding from Parliament to enable him to rule by sea and land. Issued in 1628 at a time England was much concerned with the siege of the Huguenot city of la Rochelle by the Catholic forces of Louis XIII. Charles was keen to bolster Protestant interests in Europe and Buckingham was allowed to raise forces to supposedly support the Huguenots. However this went poorly and Buckingham was forced to return to England. Charles blamed Parliament for not providing the finances to reinforce Buckingham's expedition. The medal shows Charles with a radiate crown. The reverse, a sceptre and trident intertwined REGIT VNVS VTROQVE sends the message 'one rules with both', ie sceptre and trident. The design of this medal is by Briot, with a sideways B as signature below Charles' bust. Traditionally this medal has also been suggested as a pattern for a shilling, but although silver versions exist, there's no evidence I've seen to suggest this was ever taken further than a possible proposal. MI 250/26, 29mm.

A so-called "War and Peace" medal from the reign of Charles I. Struck in accordance with the views of Charles after the defeat of Waller and the surrender of Bristol to Prince Rupert, when Charles summoned his Council "to consider how these great blessings in war might be applied to the procuring a happy peace." Obverse, a laureate bust of Charles, reverse a sword and olive branch, crossed between crowned initials. The legend IN VTRVM QVE PARATVS signifies the King was 'prepared for both', i.e. peace or war. Date below. MI 308/134 29mm. Thomas Rawlins' initial under the bust. There are a few variations of this medal, with this being the commonest.

That's .. very cheeky of them!

When the Platt collection of medals was sold I wanted a catalogue and discovered it was print to demand! Very disappointing I thought, given that this was a major collection, owned by the author of three specialist books on the topic, I'd expect the sale catalogue to be in future demand as a reference for collectors. Maybe it's assumed that everyone is happy with online/ downloadable versions. However I, and I know a few others, prefer print for ease of use and true to size illustrations. Compare that to the Christopher Foley collection, not only did the auction house print excess copies for future use, but every item was accompanied by a specially printed card to show it came from that specific collection. Yes, it all costs, but as Kipster says ...

Just saw this posted on Facebook and thought of you guys..