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I think the H must have been added seperatelly to each working die as I have found 1881 coins with it positioned all over the place.

I would have thought that in those days the letter repair punches would have been hand made , and therefore every one would be very slightly different , also when the working dies were repaired the depth of the strike would vary in accordance with how hard the punch was struck.

Alright So I got it wrong. It was a BLUEBIRD SPEE WHALE jumping

Obverse.

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1912 penny which I call - Titanic on the horizon. I first discovered a very worn example back in 2011 , and first mentioned it on the forum back in 2016. I've been looking for a really good example for the last 11 years, and only now has an uncirculated example finally turned up. It actually looks like a plume of smoke rising from an old coal fired steam ship going over the horizon, and being a 1912 penny its association with the Titanic is obvious.

Yes F164A 🙂

I would have said it's a degraded E on the die, repunched with another E ? especially as the P has also deteriorated.

I would also say small date.

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Reverse

Yes, it's a really attractive and unusual shape, and is almost perfectly positioned centrally underneath the D.

I thought ide post this one as it may be of interest to some of you. It's an 1863 penny with a dot, well a dash really under the D in F D in the shape of a half round dot.

I was lucky enough to pick this one up on the Bay , unattributed as an F763 [ Gouby A1+B ] [ Bulging Eyes ] . Its the same as Example 2 On Richards site . I know Its a little battered, but so hard to find in any condition. I also note that both the Reverses on the Gouby A1+B and the A+B are different in that the date width on the A1+B is wider.

No sorry , Its a 5+D .

The holes were practical in some countries, coins worn on strings around the neck, like this tiny West African 1/10th penny Indeed the only genuine EDWARD VIII penny I could afford has a hole !!!

This was a little while back , so as I remember it, It was about the 1862 2+G only, and it showed that there were at leased two reverse G dies used with the obverse 2 die [ It could be that only one obverse die was used , and retooled to give a new outer circle line ] . With such a rare combination [ 2+G ] it was likely that only one reverse die would have been used in combination with die 2 , but this date variation shows that there were indeed two dies used .

Your right , but they also have different reverses , as they both have a different date width . The first has the 2 over the tooth [12 tooth width] , the other its positioned over the gap between the teeth and narrower [11.5 tooth] .

I picked up a couple of lovely young lady's the other day , I think they must be twins VICTORIA and VICTOEIA 😊 I'm not into Farthings much but these came up so I jumped at them . The E in VICTOEIA is extremely clear with just the tip of the long downward arm of the R showing.

I've just check out all the wren Rev. and - Edward viii and George vi Reverse A , same as Elizabeth ii 1953 Reverse A - Has narrow rim 80 teeth 1953 Reverse B - Has narrow rim 79 teeth 1954 Reverse C - Has wide Rim 76 teeth 1955 Reverse D - Has narrow rim 76 teeth Some years after this reuse these four reverses , But Your New find VIP proof has - 1953 Unlisted Wide Rim 77 teeth not used as far as i can tell on any other year !

Pete it looks very much like the reverse C found on the 1954 with the F in FARTHING to the gap, and as you say is not listed for 1953 . one other noticeable difference is the outer rim is much wider than the A or B. It also looks to be in Cameo with polished field and frosted images . Well done great discovery

The saying goes the camera never lies, but can distort the truth.

Welcome to the Forum , and happy hunting. 😀

What makes me think its been crushed is that the BRITT part of the legend is much wider spread than it should be. I would think that someone has used the coin , being made of bronze and rather soft, as some kind of cushion between two pieces of pipe while being hammered, possible made of cast iron which is rather brittle .

It looks to me as though it could have been crushed around the edge, but leaving the center largely unaffected , and then undergoing a long period of corrosion. !!