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I agree with Jerry, but I am still sure that the date widths must be the same on both these coins. It would be a hell of a coincidence if there were two different date widths paired with the 1841 REG: reverse which both had flaws through the numeral 8, and the letters in VICTORIA, and both have a 1/1. My guess is that the coin pictured right on Mike's pictures is a little angled to the camera and that this gives the impression that the 1 and 8 are closer. There also appears to be either some grime or shadow to the left hand side of the 8 and also a generally darker area between the right of the 1 and the left of the 8.....both these things tend to give the added impression that the numerals are closer together. I attach a picture of what I believe is the SAME obverse on a coin which I have tried to angle in the same way as Mike's right hand picture. To confirm exact numeral locations Mike's coin really needs to be put under a digital microscope at right angles to the coin.

Hi Mike, I believe that both 1841 types (i.e. with and without the colon after REG on the reverse) which have this identical flaw through the numeral 8, also have identical date spacings. I attach high definition pictures of both dates on my two coins for comparison. If you think you have a REG colon with different date spacings then could you please post a picture, as that would be a total surprise?

I think that the most interesting thing about the obverse that is paired with the 1841 REG: is that it is subsequently paired with an 1841 NO REG Colon. The beauty of flaws, which are seen in the exact same locations, is that they can give you a time line between die pairings. Here is an 1841 No REG Colon piece, with same numeral 8 flaw, and also the VICTORIA flaws further developed (shown alongside the REG Colon flaw for comparison), proving that it came after the REG colon coin. .

The die crack through the numeral 8 on the 1841 REG: is generally NOT present. I have seen it on only 2 of the 11 REG: specimens that I have owned. There is also by then some additional flawing through the VICTORIA legend. By the time these obverse flaws appear, on the later strikes, the reverse is also then seen with flaws appearing from Britannia's toes up to the F of DEF..............and then onwards through the top of the legend on the right of the coin. Attached pictures refer.

Think some of the contenders will be 'running up a hill'.................but Stranger Things have happened!

Having a clear out and came across an old Stetson hat which my wife was left over 20 years ago, think it's from the 1960's. I was going to stick it on ebay, but my wife seems to think that it may be worth something more than I will achieve on ebay. Just wondering if there may be any American members who know a little more than me about this.....which would be anything at all. e.g. should I be trying to find an auction house, or is that just wasting my time? There's a picture of a cowboy inside the hat, seems to be giving his horse horse a drink...presume out of a Stetson hat!?

I'm putting examples of both these date types into the Noonans September sale if anyone is interested.

I definitely don't look Kurdish, more of a Viking, but bald, Yorkshire man.....long live Bairstow! I know many Kurds, and non-Kurds in Turkey, and they seem to live in harmony.....politics and power games are not everyday life for the common folk, who are just trying to get by helping one another. Turkey actually reminds me a little of the1950's Britain which I grew up in, where front doors were safely left open and people passed the time of day on the street without deliberately looking the other way to avoid contact. In the UK we seem to have lost those common courtisies, and respect for the elders, which the Turkish still hold dear.

Apologies, just spotted them!

Probably that they aren't in the EU Venn

Nice place to have a holiday though. Turkish are generally very welcoming, and it has a safer feel than much of the UK.

Thanks for comments. Taken another picture from different angle, best definition I can get. Is it worth me having a scrape underneath the top bar to see if I can remove a bit of grime to reveal any further detail; not sure it's exciting enough to warrant the effort!?

Noticed this protrusion bottom right of the numeral 3 on an 1863; can't see any other bits sticking out. Looks like it is from original minting, anyone else seen this before? It's similar to the the 1857 Gouby F numeral 5, also pictured below.

But you've already got a nice one Mike!

I see that the 1847 Medusa sold for 3,000 US Dollars Hammer last night. Guess that's the 13th now known.

Look Out for the Spectacle of the Eight Twice a year, once in February and once in November, the light shines into Palma Cathedral in a way that projects the beautiful roseate window onto the opposite wall, creating a figure 8 with its twin window. The cathedral opens at 8 am on the days this event occurs, with the light causing the alignment at 8.30 am, and it is free to enter and watch.

...and still not great at marketing rarer types. e.g. the Bramah 2c this time...........which is really difficult, and should have been mentioned in the wording imo.

It was slow moving between pages Richard, and took me a few seconds to find where to enter my search criteria....guess it's partly a case of getting used to navigation, but did prefer the old site.

Again hardly any pennies at the DNW (Noonans) auction later this month, but perhaps a couple of interesting ones.

Correct, Palma Cathedral, amazing place. That rose stained glass window is 11 metres in diameter, with over 1000 pieces! We are spoiling ourselves, making up for lost Covid time, as we did Cordoba Mesquita only 5 weeks ago, again an amazing building. Think the Alhambra Palace in Granada is still my favourite though as they also have such wonderful gardens. We did that early May, just before Covid, and at that time of year the smell of oranges in their gardens is quite overpowering.

Pages 226/227 not 206/207!

Hi Mike, just catching up after getting home from holiday, sorry for delay replying. Guess where we were staying? I'm sure I have come across several bronzed current pieces. Like Peck, I haven't got too excited about them. If you read his pages 206/7 (under George III), and then Page 405 (Victoria) where you will see that he says Victorian "current pieces subsequently bronzed to resemble proofs are not uncommon". Half way down Page 405 he then describes "specious bronze patina", and I am sure that most Victorian 'Young Head' penny collectors will have noticed the 'patchy' type of coin which he describes within their own collections. I'm pretty sure that the reason why he doesn't bother to categorise them with separate reference numbers is that he didn't consider them anything special, just copper pieces treated post-mint. I think this is why he has simply added a footnote at the bottom of his Page 407 list. Specious means "misleading in appearance, especially misleadingly attractive". This increased attractiveness was probably a good little earner, particularly if the treated coins could then be passed off as genuine bronzed proofs. Personally I don't think it's worth spending a lot of time searching for bronzed current coins. It does help to have an 1839 penny to see the clear differences.

All done, now on Richard's website, many thanks.

That 1862 B over R on ebay this evening went incredibly high, over £2000 and not that high a grade.

Hi Richard, Will email you pictures.