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I do accept that, but HE could'nt accept that i'm not a fan of plastic and have MY OWN OPINION ON THAT SUBJECT nor am i a fan of how the Plastic fans in America would trade the same coin for a 1 Point difference on said plastic plus he disliked that i mentioned Artificial Toning. I don't quite understand how you can come in at the END of all this and quite simply say it all down to me. You Need to have looked back at the Facts and not just simply delete the plain truth of where and why i exploded. BTW I was just looking at a rather well known USA auction sight, I really like Queen Kristina of Sweden crowns - http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=231348&lotNo=60156 Huh? I know these coins, I have this certain little side pursuit of 17th and 18th century Swedes - no doubting this is a nice coin and I would be interested in it at my opinion - a VF coin at a VF price - but it is rather oversexed in the plastic - XF! I'd like to think anyone that really pursues these coins would view it as a VF as it is, and ignore the coffin. So my point is - don't argue with the bloke - he relies on others for opinions of coins - not his own opin certainly. And by all means let him not slither under your hide nayther. You right hae more supporters in our vernacular than his.

Azda - you have to accept that there are certain individuals out there that like their plastic. Quite frankly I have been collecting coins since before they started tombing them in plastic and I do not feel it performs any service to "real" coin collectors. For better or worse there are those of us out there that enjoy the history, the artistry etc of coins and in a righteous fashion we only really value what we think of a coin - and not the opin of some anonymous person in a stuffy, underventilated and windowless and allegedly sterile environment has! Surely you have seen my coin above, I hae others of that vernacular. I couldn't care the less what some dolt in some office in Florida USA or Blackpool Lancashire thinks of my coin. I only care what I think. Gees, whilst I would like for you to like my coin, i' you don't all the betters for me. Sometime about five years ago I chanced upon an Anne Crown from 1707-E that was so tombed. If anything it being in a plastic coffin was a bit of a put off an' I talked the price down because of it. After I brought her home I cracked the old sot out of her coffin an' let her breathe again. Now she resides in non-PVC holder and can enjoy a wee bit of fresh air once the more. I don't get this thing for having coins "graded" and even "authenticated" - a real collector can do such with their own knowledge. Righteous, sure. Purist, sure.

An' me avatar is wee better lookin' 'han yours twa.

Canna imagine someone or someones getting so kerfuffled about TPG's that they resort to some of the name calling, the foul invectives, and discussion of racial epithets. Just sayin'.

I got the bit about birds not singing and without you, but not much more! But then I can't speak Spanish and still enjoy Shakira! It is funny having Shakira song as ringtone on my phone in Ukraine - people expect to hear either Russian or English on my phone. I listen to much Spanish language music - actually like Latin music.

I have been collecting coins since the late 1970s or so ie from when I was a little kid. I have been collecting seriously enough to buy up all the numismatic books, and attend shows etc since the early 1980s. I have seen stuff come and go - slabs have been around awhile and will continue to be - but they don't do anything for me. I collect because I enjoy history and artistry. I understand that people get their knickers all bunched up about slabs, and even resort to potty language in forums. I don't get it. I frankly couldn't give a rat's crusty barm if someone likes slabs or not. That said I have some early Scots and English hammered that has been "slabbed" as MS this or that - but I bought the coin and not the plastic. I think slabbing hammered as MS is pure nonsense -because the striking characteristics of hammer and die coinage are very variable and different from screw press and then machine struck coinage. Raw - uncooked:

I love finding Brit hammered in these TPG holders graded MS whatever the $#!+ where I can clearly see very light circulation wear.

The point is - buy and collect what you like and what has good eye appeal. Be knowledgeable about what you collect. Don't let some miscreant fool in a windowless sterile environment decide what you should like.

Ach, you surely mean Mrs Brown.

I see a whole new line of coinage coming soon...

Ha ha.

Somewhere in there I want to assail Camilla - but I think it more appropriate to skip the generation and be thankful that Duchess Kate is far more attractive - literally and figuratively.

But as a teenager hearing those lyrics I thought they were funny as all hell.

Holly came from Miami FLA Hitch-hiked her way across the USA Plucked her eyebrows on the way Shaved her legs and she was a he They don't write songs like that anymore! I am not so sure the rest of the lyrics would be quite as socially politically correct these days.

Knowing him he might well wanna be Henry IX - he thinks VIII got a bad rap.

Admittedly it is a grade the consignor wanted, not the grade the coin actually is. Remember - it is not the coin, it is the consignor.

I have said it before and say it again... Another person's or company's opinion of a coin is truly useless if you have enough knowledge that you can grade, authenticate and enjoy a coin. TPG coins are for the uninitiated IMHO.

"take a walk on the wild side"

Reminds me of one time I was checking on what my son was looking at on the computer. Turns out he was looking at youtube.com - he must have had a difficult time finding what he wanted to look at because he couldn't spell "breast" right and spelt it as "brest". I wasn't mad because of what he wanted to look at but he has never lived down not being able to spell a part of the feminine anatomy correctly. Now he is getting ready for college and I still bring up that incident from 7-8 years ago.

Heritage is an American company so I would rather guess they target that audience. BTW if you know what you are doing you can find some great treasures there for a pittance. Saw a James VI noble from 1588 go for $5K recently. If say Baldwins or Spink had auctioned that piece would have been at least double the price. By that measure if you know what you are doing and are sluethy in approach you can find some goodies, ie look on British sites for American coins, look on American sites for British coins.

He relisted it as a James I coin, already up to 5.50. Dang I would have bought it at 99p for chits and giggles. When or if Prince Charles becomes the monarch he will be a III - which reminds me of the Carolus III coins from Spain that were overstamped with George III's portrait during Napoleonic times - "The head of a fool on the head of an ass"

I'd soil my breeches if I found a coin that old in the ground. The oldest thing I have ever found was a small spearpoint on a hill in Luxembourg that was thence identified at a museum there as approximately 900-1000 years old and I was jumping for joy.

I currently own 1 Daler 1716, 2 Daler 1728, and the 4 Daler 1731. They are particularly collectable if they are sea salvage, most of them came from a shipwreck off of South Africa that was found ca. 1987 - most of the rest were subsequently melted after they were demonetised in the 1780s. My three are all non-sea salvage and quite the pain to find, and thus are dear on the wallet. They are large, but so is the vault at my bank where they are stored in another country.

Aeroplane blond (she has a black box) In the vernacular of the English I learnt whence I was young a box was a euphemism for another term referred to higher up in this thread

She found him: