1860 BB Halfpenny 2 different rev.A's

[1860 BB Halfpenny 2 different rev.A's]

The F-277 1st 1/1 is on the CD, although not in the article.....

The CD has images of MOST of the different obverses and reverses with information on determining which variety is which......

An essential aid for comparison

I have several other variants not in the article, that he has pictured on the CD...

I'll PM his email address to you.... I think he is currently out of town, so I don't know how often he is able to check his email.....

[1860 BB Halfpenny 2 different rev.A's]

The series of articles by Iain Dracott ran in the April, May, & July 2004 issues of Coin News....

I attach a scan of differences from an EXCELLENT reference CD published by Malcolm Lewendon... He has based his work upon Mr. Dracott's articles and this CD is a logical extension of it. It is now in its second edition.

If you wish to purchase it, I will provide you with his email address.....

Or you can send me yours, and I will forward it to him......

[1860 BB Halfpenny 2 different rev.A's]

I believe these to be the 2 varieties specified by Iain Dracott in his 2004 article on half pennies.

In addition to the Short hair/Long variation between the two, he also notes the following additional differences:

SHORT Hair (Reverse A):

WIDE SPACED "6 0" in date

Shield Crosses have DOUBLE INCUSE lines

Thinner LEFT wrist of Britannia, SHORTER Hair on back of neck

WEAK flag pole on ship

LONG Hair (Reverse A#):

CLOSER SPACED "60" in date

LOWER RIGHT section of St. Andrews Cross now has TRIPLE INCUSE lines

Thicker LEFT wrist of Britannia, LONGER Hair on back of neck

STRONGER flag pole on ship, NO incuse line near shield base

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Look for the 2nd edition, from 1986....

another excellent reference (for pennies) is "The British Bronze Penny" by Michael Gouby .... it doesn't cover half pennies or farthings though......

[1909 Penny]

Note the diffferent positioning of the 1 of the date, relative to the tooth beneath it....

[1861 over 81 Victorian Penny]

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I only know of 2 (possibly 3) that have changed hands in the last few years, and about 5 in major collections. plus the one that started this thread......... even if you double that number that still only amounts to 18.......

Still EXTREMELY RARE, and even more so because it is RECOGNIZED and DESIREABLE......

[1861 over 81 Victorian Penny]

Sorry, I couldn't edit my response above to add the following......

The 5 examples that I have had at one time or another, as well as the few others that I have seen, all had this trait as well.....

[1861 over 81 Victorian Penny]

PS: In reference to the N/Z, In adddition to the N/Z and the recut O in one, I think they all also have a recut or doubled A in Victoria on the obverse...

[1861 over 81 Victorian Penny]

Well said...

A RARITY is RARE.. regardless of its condition..... and they are always CLASSIC, IDENTIFIABLE, and in DEMAND......

[1861 over 81 Victorian Penny]

No problem,

we all learn from one another......

[1861 over 81 Victorian Penny]

Nice coins Bob & Custard.... Both a bit better than mine.....

Both also displaying the first 1 over 1 in the date........ A characteristic that I've noticed on ALL the specimens that I have seen so far.....

[1860 penny, tripled "F" variety?]

I've seen or owned about 5 off them, although this is among the nicest that I've seen, and much nicer than the one in my collection....

NICE FIND....

Let me know if you want to part with it.....

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Chris... were you addressing me regarding the pics?????

Also, I'm not bothering with recut lettering on the 1860 and 1861 coins... though I can send you some to include as example in your book.... certainly not worth an entry for pricing purposes........

Let me know and I will email you........

Not sure what else I have, but I'll check... I knew I had these handy though....

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A comparison of 4 different types of 1889/8 half pennies......

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1889 ULTRA WIDE date GOUBY X

Compare to narrow date and normal wide date....

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1861 F-276 first 1 over 1

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1862/1 penny SATIN 38A for those that have never seen one.....

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F-274 with missing Colon Dots after F:D:

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1946 Gouby B (DOT) with DIE BREAK projecting from the dot....

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1860 F-16 witha raised dot between the ribbons