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  1. Posted

    18 hours ago, Martinminerva said:

    Definitely an 8+C#   (I was the underbidder!)   The best diagnostic is the position of the leaves of the wreath relative to the colon after DG.  On obverse 7, the two front leaves are higher and almost touch the colon.  I now have records of 18 existing.  Much rarer is the 7+C# of which I believe only 5 are known.

    I would tend to concur with you on your determination. My comparison of certain diagnostic indicators led me to that conclusion too.

    I'm not sure what the current known population is, so I will defer to your numbers.

    For the census, currently i have two obverse 8's, as well as two obverse 7's which include the discovery coin.

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  2. Posted · Edited by Bronze & Copper Collector

    6 hours ago, Zo Arms said:

    Yes, that's it. The coins are well mixed up. Heart leapt when I spotted the ' mule '.

    I think it's a HALP. It is a known pairing for this variety. I'll post some pics when it arrives.

    I presume that the coin in question is the 1861, which, although admittedly it does look like a P/F, I would tend to doubt that it is a HALP penny.  Although it is known with both obverses 6 and 7; to the best of my knowledge it is only known on reverse G. The coin in question is a reverse E (note the LCW).

    I would suspect that it is some sort of gunk at the tip of the crossbars of the F in HALF.

    For what it is worth, I hope that I am proven incorrect, or that I have been looking at wrong coin. The best scenario would be that it is a new discovery (those are always nice).

    Best of Luck

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  3. Posted

    1 hour ago, PWA 1967 said:
    On 12/13/2022 at 7:06 AM, PWA 1967 said:

    1933 Penny in the signature sale at Heritage ,although graded as currency and thought to be a proof 😀

    George V Penny 1933 MS63 Brown NGC, Royal mint, KM838 (Rare), | LotID #62002 | Heritage Auctions (ha.com)

    $240,000 😀

    The Edward V111 brass threepence sold for  $140,000 😯

    Actually Pete, the Edward VIII brass 3 pence, sold for $144,000 ($120,000 + $24,000).

    You're correct with the 1933 Penny, $240,000  ($200,000 + $40,000)

  5. Posted

    1 hour ago, mrbadexample said:

    Puts me in mind of the Latvian 2 Santimi with / without signature. I think they all display traces of the signature. 

    1932 2 santimi with v no signature.jpg

    Or the 1922 "Plain" US cent.

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  6. Posted

    3 hours ago, DrLarry said:

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    I think the Lauer is closer to the beading and whilst I could see that part might be blocked each of the letters are individual so I would have thought something would have remained.  not sure will have to try do some more research 

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    Unless it's a trick of lighting and imaging and not really there; all that I think I see is a hint of the L & the A.

    Possibly my line is angled incorrectly as all I can claim to see is 2 partial letters.

    Of course there is always the possibility of a different die variety.

    Unfortunately we may never be sure.

  7. Posted

    3 hours ago, DrLarry said:

    OK I'll take another look and play with reverse light and search harder.  I will also take some images of the wear on the whole coin it is not dramatically worn so perhaps there are other factors blocked die,  mistrike involved too. Thank you 

    Blocked die is certainly a possibility.

  8. Posted

    18 hours ago, DrLarry said:

    It just arrived and no it is not there I have taken some pics and even with the token angled there is no trace of the Lauer.  Another anomaly ....makes t all the more interesting when we start talking to each other all the new things that come through .  I love collecting "normal" coins for the joy of the history for each year but when a topic is under researched it opens new interests for me.  The scientist in me starts looking for answers.  

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    CM221229-121641004 (149x300).jpgangled shot reflected light 

    I've examined the images and I believe the LAUER is on the coin, very faint and very worn.

    I've tried to both underline and circle the most visible portion, that of the LA of LAUER.

     

     

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    1659505336_CM221229 underlined.JPG

    1659505336_CM221229 circled.JPG

  9. Posted · Edited by Bronze & Copper Collector

    3 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

    Who is this "Groucho" you speak of?

    There is only one "Groucho"!

    Or, as he was introduced on "You Bet Your Life", the quiz show that he hosted. Here he is, the one, the only, Groucho Marx.

    Groucho Marx of Marx Brothers fame. Although probably most famous on his own in later years.

  14. Posted · Edited by Bronze & Copper Collector

    Would someone possibly please identify the imaged coin and possibly give an estimated value.

    This is not my coin. I am researching for an acquaintance. I do not have the coin in my possession and these are the only images that I have.

    With no actual knowledge of the coin, I would hypothesize that it might be a Greek Tetradrachm or something in that family.

    Thank you in advance for your assistance.

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  18. Posted

    5 hours ago, alfnail said:

    Hi Gary, this is an Ornamental Trident 

    DUH!!

    Of course you are absolutely CORRECT.

    That will teach me to do reseaech when I am half asleep. I do have it listed properly in my spreadsheet abd hopefully in my album too.

    At least that relieves me of any hallucinations I was having regarding any similarities between the 2 coins.

    Anyway, so long as the images are posted already, Iain, have you come across an 1855 closer colon (much as the 1853 Peck-1503) such as this?thus??

    Regards and thanks again.

  25. Posted

    I checked my 1855 plain tridents and there is one coin that might possibly be a match. More than likely it is my imagination running amok.

    This coin I had identified about 15 years ago or so and placed separately amongst my 1855s inasmuch as the colon is slightly closer than on others.

    It does have a slightly "fatter" last 5.

    Richard, maybe you can compare the colon spacing and see if there is a match there. If so, then that might be an identifier if indeed there is something ornate in the breast plate.

    If it is just a closer colon spacing, then it is merely a die variety. If indeed, in addition to the colon spacing, there is also a more ornate design on the breastplate, then we have identified a new reverse die.

    Obviously the ideal situation would be to find a high grade example and either confirm or refute this observation.

    Again, despite the definite difference in the colon spacing we might be in total fantasy land regarding any design on the breastplate.

     

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