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Ok, I'm not looking at other answers so this is entirely off the top off my head. The £9 is rather misleading. They should have paid £25/3 = £8.33 each plus a 66p share of a £2 tip to the waiter. I.e. £9 each IN TOTAL including the tip to the waiter. So they actually paid the waiter £3 too much.

It could be the Mint is slow to issue the full figures? I remember in the late 70s seeing that the figure for 1976 50p's was less than a million, and I started collecting them avidly (though oddly I never questioned that there were plenty out there). It later turned out that that was a provisional figure only and in the end there were millions.

That's Birmingham Cathedral IIRC?

Still are, surely?

Indeed it is. However, I'm utterly amazed that it took you 4 years to find in your change a coin of which there were 10m minted. Something doesn't quite square...

I have since found the "index" and uploaded it to Dropbox. https://www.dropbox.com/s/wf4g1xl056jj3p2/BNJ contents 1-80 (index of sorts).pdf?dl=0

No chance!

"DERITEND NEAR BIRMINGHAM" Now it's just off the city centre - shows how much changes over time!

This is the gov.uk guidelines: VAT on exports to non-EU countries VAT is a tax on goods used in the EU, so if goods are exported outside the EU, you do not charge VAT. You can zero rate the sale, as long as you get and keep evidence of the export, and comply with all other laws. You must also make sure the goods are exported, and you must get the evidence within 3 months from the time of sale. This can be longer for goods that need processing before export and for thoroughbred racehorses. The time of sale is the earlier of the day you: send the goods to your customer get full payment for them https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-exports-dispatches-and-supplying-goods-abroad#vat-on-exports-to-non-eu-countries

Luxury! Our father made us crawl inside a ZX80 and count the electrical shocks we got then crawl back out and carve the answer onto a slate...

Sorry - yes you're right, VAT is only added to the premium. But I stand by my assertion that this is not the slightest bit relevant to the values listed in catalogues and price guides, which are not offers to sell or relating to any one specific item.

I can't think of an auction house that would NOT be VAT registered? In any case, I wasn't talking about reclaiming VAT, just paying it in the first place, and its non-relevance to price guides (which is what I assume the OP was about?).

Every coin I own is double sided. One side is the obverse, the other is the reverse.

Messaged seller.

(Apologies for leaving Rob's name there - when editing the quoted post I didn't seem able to remove it). You really want to track down that article in the BNJ (issue 74?) which is the most comprehensive piece on those coins that I've read.

Catalogues and guides that list prices are simply estimates of the coin's approximate value in whatever country / currency applies where the guide is published. Things like VAT are absolutely not relevant, as the values listed are not actual selling prices and therefore any tax would not apply. However, when buying from a (UK) dealer, bear in mind that VAT will be included in the price asked and may have been a factor in the price the dealer decided to sell at (also bear in mind that a dealer will only use a guide to get a rough idea of the market; his actual selling price will be gauged on : how much he/she paid what demand there is for that particular coin if there are particular buyers in mind how quickly a sale is required When buying from an auction house, bear in mind that they will add VAT to the hammer price, plus whatever buyers premium applies there. So the most important thing to remember is that a coin guide is just that - a guide. The only value a coin has is what anyone is prepared to pay for it. Tax matters are outside the scope of guides.

That's Michael Gouby, a leading light in the dealing and numismatics world. He wrote one of "bibles" on pennies - The British Bronze Penny - and what he doesn't know about coins probably isn't worth knowing! I think you can trust him!, and I'm pretty sure he has a cast-iron returns policy?

That "coin dealer" is the one and only Michael Gouby. Needless to say, that's not him in the video, but an actor. Here's Michael's own take on the video: http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/Record - Michael Coins by Izo.htm

Here is the Dropbox link to the BNJ index, for anyone who is interested. (I've set it up to download directly without taking you to the Dropbox site). It's laid out by monarch among other things, so if you look under George III for example, you will see that an article on 1787 shillings is in Vol 74. BNJ index

I have that Feather On The Breath Of God album - very good it is too. I haven't played the Motley Crue / Dr Feegood track yet ... but I never knew they'd ever collaborated?

I think the real answer to this is the price being asked - £199 for a possibly unique coin? I'd say "chancer" myself.

That's scarce?

Will do, though it won't be today (Big Day Out...).