kel

Thanks for all your input I haven't got any real interest in collecting, I have an interest in things in geaeral, age social inpact etc, that is about how far it goes - my gran tried very hard believe me! Here are my thoughts regarding this penny: The sea and particularly the rock appear to be more detailed, is this because it is different die or is it because one of my 2 coins was one of the first to be stamped and the other being the last to be stamped from a particular die? The teeth being worn around the date is a real pain and therefore can only be truely established by etching to show the difference in grain size (thick and thin stamping gives a different grain sizes) but this will deface the coin even further? I am resigned to the fact that it is virtually worthless because of this. Unless There are any other distingishing marks other than the date gap which I agree is a non starter because of wear I cannot see any alternative but to say I was nearly there and give it neck and move on to the other coins. If I put up my lists of coins (which I haven't completed yet) will you guys tell me if anything is worth investigating, also there are the foriegn coins? As I have said I was not given the whole collection, my gran always said she had the complete set from the mid 1800's and when my father gave them to me after her death, he said they are useless the best ones have gone. Thanks again Kel

I got the information from www.coinsgb.com As I said in my 1st post I am not a collector nor do I buy and sell Here is the collection of penny's (I also have a 1826, what I think is a farthing and a 100 or so forign coins, some H/p's and some florins(mostly after 1957) 3d's and 6d's and some early 10p's (1968/9 & early 70's)) Can you see anything I should look at Kel

Chris I am going on what it says on the internet. I am not a collector just an owner of something that I will sell if it is worth it, who/what is freeman Update I have had it under a brunell microscope and I can confirm the following The 9's are the same There is more detail on the sea and what I assume are rocks both to the left and the right that there are strong indications that the 1 is over a tooth as per my previous post The college was as helpful as they could, beens as they haven't run metalergy for ten years and that they have sold off most of their stuff. Not really sure of my next step because I would love to know if it is or not (regardless of, if all it's worth is scrap value) Kel PS were as the N come from because the N's in the 1909 F169 picture donot align?

Yes I understand that, it is all about demand. If it is proven to be one of these coins, I am sure that because of the condition no collector would want one of less than 10 in the world, so it will be nice for my bragging rights with friends and family.

I have been looking through the magnifying glass with the light comming from different direction. You can make out the inside edges of the teeth as the light hits and reflects off the curves. I think the number one is in line with a tooth. I am off to college tomorrow to see if I can use their microsope. By trade (different life many years ago) i was a metalogist so it is begging time to see if they will let me. It as been awhile since I did this type of drawing but here goes, because many photos later, no photos to speak of, wrong camera. Had to learn how to take photos like this as part of my training but the camera was 20 times bigger:) Need guidance with regards to the N i.e. which N. The the first upright in N, in ONE using the reflective light is in line, both N's on the heads side are in line, the N's in penny are debateable and indistingishable for now?

which N, which side or all of them - the first upright on the heads side points to a tooth (it is much clearer)

so it doesn't matter if I clean it - thought of trying the bang test

no! but there is a slight gap to the left of the bottom of the 1 which proportionally is different to the other 1909 penny (it only shows up with a magnifying glass)

I have been playing with my computer where it is marked is where I think it is different

Hi all Firstly I am not a collector nor do I buy to sell. I have posted this on another site with little responce As a child I played with my grans coin collection and they were always promised to me. When she died in 2000 I got given the coins: well about 50% of them. All of the copper pennys, h/pennys and farthings were gone plus all the 'lettered' coins and the was no coins between 1950 and 1960 inc. I put the in a bag in the loft and forgot about them. Economics and a discussion about old coins got me to dig out the bag of coins and spent some hours explorring poss values. I have 2 1909 penny's and I think they are different! Please remember I am untrained. I think: That the sea is more detailed That the 9's connect back at different points That the fonts are slightly different Unfortuately there is alot of wear under the 1 so I can not directly tell if it is directly over a 'spot' although by judging against the other it looks like it may. Also there is a slight gap (magnifying glass job) to the bottom left of the 1 proportionally different to the other. I have put it up against the example of a F169 penny and I think they are the same? but again I have no experience. I think it needs more checks against other 1909 pennys Please advise if only to tell me to not be so silly Thanks Kel to the left as you look is my ordenary penny to the right what I am hoping is the F169 penny