AardHawk

I think they are suggesting it comes from the warm house (or perhaps from daytime solar heated water.)

You will be pleased to hear that nighttime PV panels (Anti-solar cells) are on the way https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200129174512.htm

You must have been Mike Macartney's best customer! Sold my 02tii after 20 years custodianship a couple of years ago. It was my daily driver. Never let me down.

Change your gender. I cant see the state pensions people objecting now that the lady who said that there were only two biological types of human was found guilty.

I'm not sure that you understand how ebay (the company) operates. They are not responsible for what is sold on their platform. They make their money by providing a platform for others to use and charging them for its use. Its the others who are responsible for the crap. People need to be more selective of whom they buy from, so maybe only buy from those who operate an ebay store and who presumably pay a fee to do so. I assume one can search only ebay stores. For those who are sell, open an ebay store and show that you are a step above the no fee dross. Just a few thoughts.

I have digitised all the Decimal content for my own use only. Theres not that much actually. I did photocopy all the predecimal variety stuff when I was into that, twenty years ago or so, and there is only a couple of hundred pages.

They failed because sales fell as they raised the cover price. £4 or so then must be £10 today. I know I stopped buying it a couple of years previously because of the price. Content was crap as well.

According to the Editorial in the May 1968 edition, they moved on the 1st of April.

Radio 4 Long Wave. I'm not trying to get at you Rob but one reads posts on a forum and assumes because of the authoritative answers on other subjects, that the people concerned are quite aged, but nine times out of ten, its not true. Anyway take a look at your old radio and you can probably select several wave bands, failing that it is available on Sky Radio on your telly, which is how I listen to the cricket these days.

The earliest reference to this variety that I can find, was reported by David Sealy in his Coins Varieties colume in Coins and Medals in February 1969. With regard to the estimated totals, V,R,Court in his series, Major Varieties of U.K. Pennies 1902-1967, in the August 1972 issue of Coin Monthly, estimates c.55,500 examples were produced. He looked at 3,403 example of 1908 penny and found 6 examples. He does caution that the "small levels of incidence provide very unreliable bases for calculating accurate mintages. However, they probably indicate that only one die of each of these particular varieties was in use."

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-1983-2-New-Pence-in-Unrecorded-Royal-Mint-Brilliant-Uncirculated-Coin-Set/233308601941?hash=item365246be55:g:SdIAAOSwYXVc1C4A Been for sale for a month or two.

They have been there in various guises for many years. The real mystery is why dont they publish the figures between 1977 and 2000.

I put a request for some info on the 5th Feb and previously a couple of month before, but have never received a reply. I think you get asked when you make a request for information whether you want to make it an FOI request. I decided against as I thought it was inappropriate. Next time I wont mess about.

2P Articles and Chronology The first report of 2p varieties occurs in David Sealy’s Coin Varieties column, COINS, July 1971. “Amazingly enough it has taken until now for anyone to come up with any variation in the new decimal 'coppers'. first generally released in February. J. C. Thompson writes from Berwick-­upon-Tweed that there are two varieties of the 2p now in circulation, both common, which differ from the coins included in the sets issued earlier. Rev. A (as issued in the 1968 sets): Within those parts of the three crosses which join them to the band of the coronet, incuse lines follow their respective curves, forming tri­angles. There are also two incuse lines, above and below the five jewels on the band. Rev. B (as issued on D Day); Similar, but the triangles are much reduced in size and less clear, and there are no lines above and below the jewels. Rev. C (as issued on D Day): Similar, but there have been retouches to the turned-over tops of the plumes in the form of incuse lines, especially on the left, where the tip of the quill is now represented by two incuse lines which do not meet-this has the effect of making it point almost vertically downwards instead of slightly to the left. A is scarce and seems to be confined to the sets; in circulation C is perhaps a little commoner than B.” The next report also in COINS, October 1973, and also in David Sealy’s Coin Varieties column. “Another very interesting item, for which I am also indebted to Mr Sturgess, is in the current 1971-dated 2p. It will be re­membered that in July 1971 (p. 18: see also 1973 Coins Market Values, p. 85) we des­cribed three varieties of this coin discovered by J. C. Thompson. We now have a fourth (Reverse D), most closely resembling Reverse C, but in which the incuse lines on the turned-over ends of the central and left plumes are quite different. In Reverse C the fourth and fifth incuse lines from the right on the top of the left plume meet; in Reverse D they do not, and further to their left an incuse line runs more-or-less vertically right across the tip (see illustra­tion). The type seems to be rare: Mr Sturgess only found the one specimen, in circulation. “ The next entry of interest from the December 1973 issue of COINS is an advert from the Royal Mint for the new 1971 Proof Set of 1971 Decimal coins. “Our first decimal coins­ the complete 1971 proof set for £3·25.” The next detail of note is the announcement of a series of proof sets for 1972 through to 1976. This appeared in the March 1976 edition of Coins and Medals and also in the March 1976 edition of Coin Monthly. “Prices for the sets, inclusive of postage and packing, are £6.75 for the 1972 set and £5.25 each for the 1973, 1974, 1975 and 1976 sets. The 1972 through to 1975 sets were available immediately and the 1976 later in the year.” A letter to the editor from E.B Mackenzie in Coin Monthly July 1978 “I bought two Proof sets of 1972 decimals for some reason-though only one set of each of the others. I found that, on comparing the two '72 sets, all the' coins except the crowns and the .02 pennies had different reverses. So, every 1972 Proof coin, except crown and .02 penny, has two different reverse types. Interesting.” A follow up letter to the editor from E.B Mackenzie in Coin Monthly January 1979 referring back to his earlier letter. “I had an interesting letter of explanation from the Royal Mint, referring to the 1972 Proofs, and I presume that the same explanation could account for the different reverses of the. other years in question. It was pointed out that, 'during the course of production of the 1972 sets, new reverse tools were made for all denominations except the 25p. In the case of the 2p, the new tools were available so early that it may be that all tbe 2p Proofs were the same type.' The new reverse tools referred to were punches and matrices, from which new dies were sunk.” A further letter to the editor from E.B Mackenzie in Coin Monthly March 1979 expounds on all the coins in the proof sets. With regard to 2 pence coins: “Twopence 1971 the upright of E of NEW points to a space between border beads 1972 the upright of E of NEW points to a border bead 1973-75 both types 1976-78 the upright of E of NEW points to a border bead” And “The only coin out of pattern is the 1972 2 pence. I have not found the reverse with the upright of E of NEW pointing to a space between border beads, but I feel it MUST exist. The Royal Mint has said that 'new reverse tools were made during the production of 1972 Proofs, but in the case of the TWO PENCE the new tools were available so early it may be that all the two pence Proofs were of the same type'. But why then revert to the old type dies in 1973 to 1975, when both types were produced?” The first major article on two pence varieties was E B Mackenzie published in COIN on the 30th November 1979, The Plumes on your Pence. This follows on from his earlier letters and describes seven reverse varieties and four different obverses. Reverses A-D are the same as those posted earlier in COINS, July ’71 and Oct ’73. Reverses A-E and G are all minor varieties relating to changes in the left and central plumes and details on the coronet (and in the final article by Ron Stafford published in September 1987 are all referred to as Reverse A). Reverse F is the only other major reverse variety and is later referred to as reverse B. The 25 Jan-7 Feb 1980 edition of COIN (formerly Coin Monthly) has an article “Decimal Bronze ½, 1 & 2 Pence Varieties 1971-79” by Iain W P Dracott, K B Wiles and Ron Stafford. This expands on the previous article by E B Mackenzie adding slightly more detail. A Correction and addendum to this article from Iain Dracott was made in the 7 Mar-20 Mar 1980 Coin. The October 1984 issue of COIN MONTHLY (formerly COIN) sees Iain WP Dracott’s “Addendum to Decimal Bronze”. This article formalises and reclassifies the various Obverses and Reverses giving die pairing for both circulation and proof coins and mention is made of the BU specimen sets that were introduced in 1982. The final major article on UK decimal coinage is Ron Stafford’s “Coin Varieties: Latest Discoveries” in the July through October 1987 editions of Coin Monthly. This series summarises and in some cases reclassifies all previous published data and truly forms the basis for all future studies. It is his Sept 1987 article which forms the basis of my own studies. I have retained his classifications for dates up to 1986 and extended them with my own data through to the final “Ironside” 2 pence (type 13E, plume 9) in 2008. The last article of any kind is Patrick MacKenzies’s The 1990 UK Circulation Coinage in the April 191 edition of Coin Monthly, wherein he discusses the then new trend of the Royal Mint issuing coins in sets with slight differences to those in circulation! One final point that needs noting is the size of the boarder beads varies some what with those in the sets being generally smaller and further from the rim than the circulation issues. Its very easy to convince yourself that there are variations in bead size and position on the circulation issues, but I believe its an illusion and I can never see them the following morning! Decimal 2 pence Obverses and Reverses Obverse 1 (1) 139 bb. (2) 1 in 19 lt bb. (3) A in ELIZA to sp. (4) E in ELIZ to sp. Obverse 2 (1) 139 bb. (2) 1 in 19 to bb. (3) A in ELIZA to bb. (4) E in ELIZ to bb. Obverse 3 (1) 135 bb. (2) 1 in 19 lt bb. (3) A in ELIZA to bb. (4) E in ELIZ to sp. Obverse 4 (1) 136 bb. (2) 1 in 19 lt bb. (3) A of ELIZABETH to sp. (4) E in ELIZ to sp. Obverse 5 (1) 136 bb (2) 1 in 19 rt bb. (3) As obverse 4 except that the date has been moved Obverse 6 (1) 136 bb. (2) D to bb (3) R to sp (4) 1 of 19 lt bb. (5) I in ELIZ rt bb (6) A to sp (7) 1st I of II to bb. Obverse 7 (1) 135 bb. (2) D rt bb (3) R to bb (4) 1 of 19 to bb. (5) I in ELIZ to bb (6) A rt bb (7) 1st I of II rt bb. Obverse 8 (1) 135 bb. (2) D lt bb (3) R rt bb (4) 1 of 19 rt bb. (5) I in ELIZ to sp (6) A to sp (7) 1st I of II sl bb. Obverse 9 (1) 136 bb. (2) D to sp (3) R rt bb (4) 1 of 19 rt bb. (5) I in ELIZ to bb (6) A rt bb (7) 1st I of II lt bb. Obverse 10 (1) 135 bb. (2) D sr bb (3) R sl bb (4) 1 of 19 to bb. (5) I in ELIZ rt bb (6) A to sp (7) 1st I of II lt bb. Obverse 11 (1) 135 bb. (2) D lt bb (3) R sr bb (4) 1 of 19 sr bb. (5) I in ELIZ sl bb (6) A to bb (7) 1st I of II to bb. Obverse 12 (1) 133 bb. (2) R to bb (3) F to bb (4) 1 of 19 to bb. (5) I in ELIZ sr bb (6) E to bb (7) 1st I of II sl bb. Obverse 13 (1) 132 bb. (2) R to sp (3) F lt bb (4) D sr bb. (5) I in ELIZ lt bb (6) E lt bb (7) 1st I of II sr bb Reverse A (1) 142 bb. (2) L Leg of N in PENCE to bb. (3) E in NCE to bb. Reverse B (1) 139 bb. (2) L Leg of N in PENCE to sp. (3) E in NCE to sp. Reverse C (1) 135 bb. (2) P in PENCE to sp. (3) 1st leg of N lt bb (4) E sr bb (5) T sr bb (6) W to sp. (7) Legend reads TWO PENCE Reverse D (1) 135 bb. (2) P in PENCE rt bb. (3) 1st leg of N to sp (4) E to bb (5) T sr bb (6) W rt bb. Reverse E (1) 134 bb. (2) P in PENCE lt bb. (3) 1st leg of N rt bb (4) E to bb (5) T to sp (6) W to bb. The Plumes on your Two Pence E.B.Mackenzie gave each Reverse with a different plume/coronet a unique letter and he also gave each plume a unique number as follows: Reverse Plume A 1 B 1 C 2 D 3 E 4 F 5 G 1 H 6 I 7 Reverses H and I were added by Iain WP Dracott and I allocated them plume numbers Please note that from 1987 onwards, Reverses A-E and G-H become Rev A, Reverse F becomes B and Reverse I becomes C. Summary of Die Combernations Nb; The lower case letter or number following the Reverse letter is the old pre ’87 reverse or later plume number that I have allocated. Circulation 1971 - 1Aa,b,c,d 1972-1974 - None minted 1975 - 1Ad and 1Bf scarce 1976 - 1lAe and 1Bf fairly scarce 1977 - 2Ae,g 1978 - 4Ag 1979 - 4Ag,h 1980 - 4Ae,g,h and 4Bf very scarce 1981 - 4Ag,h 1982-1984 - None minted 1985 - 6Ci 1986-1988 - 8Ci 1989 - 10Ci 1990-1991 - 8Ci 1992 - 8Ci and 8D10 1993 - 10Ci and 10D10 and 11Ci 1994 - 8D12 1995-1996 - 10D12 1997 - 8D12 1998 - 12D12 Bronze and Cps 1999 - 12D12 2000-2001 - 13D12 2001-2008 - 13D10 Bfdc set 1971 1Aa BU sets 1982-1983 - 4Ci 1984 - 5Ci 1985 - 6Ci 1986 - 7Ci 1987 - 8Ci 1988 - 9Ci 1989-1990 - 10C8 1991-1992 - 10D9 1993-1994 - 10D11 1995 - 10D9 1996 - 10D11 1997 - 10D9 1998-1999 – 12D9 2000-2003 – 13D9 2004-2008 – 13E9 Proof sets 1971 - 1Ad 1972-1975 - 1Ae and 1Bf 1976 - 1Bf 1977 - 3Bf 1978 - 3Bf, scarcer, and 4Bf 1979-1981 - 4Bf 1982-1983 - 4Ci 1984 - 5Ci 1985 - 6Ci 1986 - 7Ci 1987 - 8Ci 1988 - 9Ci 1989 - 10Ci 1990-1992 - 10D9 1993-1994 - 10D11 1995-1997 - 10D9 1998-1999 – 12D9 2000-2003 – 13D9 2004-2008 – 13E9

No, not a compatibility problem. You used to be able to add 499kb picture, then save the topic. Then edit the topic and it would let you insert another 499kb picture. Repeat the loop etc til done, but it doesnt seem to let me do that any more. Never mind.

1973 89,775,000 X + EEC 356,616 Proof . X + EEC Single coin in case Issued, period ending 31th march, for 1973 (79,414), 1974 (259,980), 1975 (12,791), 1976 (2,711), 1977 (1.719). **100,000 Proof set. X + EEC Issued 1976 1974 **100,000 Proof set. 4 + A Issued 1976, scarcer i.a. --//-- 4 + B Trying to add multiple images. No go. Even saving then reediting doesnt seem to work any longer. Another failure.

Okay, so we've narrowed the problem down, it's the Yanks!! Dumb is another one. If you mean someone is stupid , why call them mute. As for the dates, I always told them the system will be using ISO format dates. That always stumps them. Huh, whats ISO? CCYYMMDD, get with the program dumb ass (strikethrough) you silly billy.

I think the Sunken Ear varieties were quite well known during the '60s and before. Here are two articles from the late '60s.

I'm trying to track down reports for the late 70's thru to the 90's. The reports were published by HM Stationary Office until 1977 (report 107), since then, they seem to have been hidden until the early noughties when they started appearing on the lamentable Royal Mint web site. I'm looking for actual production figures of Proof and Mint sets and not the maximum allowable figures. I am not hopeful that the reports will actually help as the post 2000 reports are a complete load of tripe. They hardly mention coin production, mainly concentrating on employee diversity targets and other such carp. Anyone got any ideas or figures (including the source).

I've arranged to visit the National Archives at Kew to view twelve annual reports, numbers 103 for the period 1972-04-01 - 1973-03-31 through to number 114 for the period 1983-04-01 - 1984-03-31, this coming Thursday. I am allowed to take a camera to photograph pages. I'm not sure what I'm going to discover. My main purpose is to determine actual production numbers of coins produced and in particular those for proof and BU sets, and VickySilver, will also be looking for coins produced for overseas governments. I chose those numbers for my initial visit because they overlap with data published in Coin Monthly and Coins and Medals in the early seventies, thought I fear they may not be definitive. I have a feeling that there are other reports from the mint giving more detailed information as both magazines published other mid term figures that were more specific. I find that the National Archives web site is not the easiest to navigate, and zero in on what you are looking for. I will report back.

Not yet, but I might be forced to. They annoyingly have them on their site for 2003 onwards and for bullion from 1968. I do know that 1978-9 thru 1997-8 reports are available for viewing at the Public Record Office(?) at Key for some large sum. I just cant believe that someone hasnt scanned them and got them online somewhere or hopefully written the figures down. I know that Chris was asking for figures some time ago, but I dont know whether he got them.

IBM mainframe applications programmer. Retired & Grumpy.

2P Articles and Chronology The first report of 2p varieties occurs in David Sealy’s Coin Varieties column, COINS, July 1971. “Amazingly enough it has taken until now for anyone to come up with any variation in the new decimal 'coppers'. first generally released in February. J. C. Thompson writes from Berwick-­upon-Tweed that there are two varieties of the 2p now in circulation, both common, which differ from the coins included in the sets issued earlier. Rev. A (as issued in the 1968 sets): Within those parts of the three crosses which join them to the band of the coronet, incuse lines follow their respective curves, forming tri­angles. There are also two incuse lines, above and below the five jewels on the band. Rev. B (as issued on D Day); Similar, but the triangles are much reduced in size and less clear, and there are no lines above and below the jewels. Rev. C (as issued on D Day): Similar, but there have been retouches to the turned-over tops of the plumes in the form of incuse lines, especially on the left, where the tip of the quill is now represented by two incuse lines which do not meet-this has the effect of making it point almost vertically downwards instead of slightly to the left. A is scarce and seems to be confined to the sets; in circulation C is perhaps a little commoner than B.” The next report also in COINS, October 1973, and also in David Sealy’s Coin Varieties column. “Another very interesting item, for which I am also indebted to Mr Sturgess, is in the current 1971-dated 2p. It will be re­membered that in July 1971 (p. 18: see also 1973 Coins Market Values, p. 85) we des­cribed three varieties of this coin discovered by J. C. Thompson. We now have a fourth (Reverse D), most closely resembling Reverse C, but in which the incuse lines on the turned-over ends of the central and left plumes are quite different. In Reverse C the fourth and fifth incuse lines from the right on the top of the left plume meet; in Reverse D they do not, and further to their left an incuse line runs more-or-less vertically right across the tip (see illustra­tion). The type seems to be rare: Mr Sturgess only found the one specimen, in circulation. “ The next entry of interest from the December 1973 issue of COINS is an advert from the Royal Mint for the new 1971 Proof Set of 1971 Decimal coins. “Our first decimal coins­ the complete 1971 proof set for £3·25.” The next detail of note is the announcement of a series of proof sets for 1972 through to 1976. This appeared in the March 1976 edition of Coins and Medals and also in the March 1976 edition of Coin Monthly. “Prices for the sets, inclusive of postage and packing, are £6.75 for the 1972 set and £5.25 each for the 1973, 1974, 1975 and 1976 sets. The 1972 through to 1975 sets were available immediately and the 1976 later in the year.” A letter to the editor from E.B Mackenzie in Coin Monthly July 1978 “I bought two Proof sets of 1972 decimals for some reason-though only one set of each of the others. I found that, on comparing the two '72 sets, all the' coins except the crowns and the .02 pennies had different reverses. So, every 1972 Proof coin, except crown and .02 penny, has two different reverse types. Interesting.” A follow up letter to the editor from E.B Mackenzie in Coin Monthly January 1979 referring back to his earlier letter. “I had an interesting letter of explanation from the Royal Mint, referring to the 1972 Proofs, and I presume that the same explanation could account for the different reverses of the. other years in question. It was pointed out that, 'during the course of production of the 1972 sets, new reverse tools were made for all denominations except the 25p. In the case of the 2p, the new tools were available so early that it may be that all tbe 2p Proofs were the same type.' The new reverse tools referred to were punches and matrices, from which new dies were sunk.” A further letter to the editor from E.B Mackenzie in Coin Monthly March 1979 expounds on all the coins in the proof sets. With regard to 2 pence coins: “Twopence 1971 the upright of E of NEW points to a space between border beads 1972 the upright of E of NEW points to a border bead 1973-75 both types 1976-78 the upright of E of NEW points to a border bead” And “The only coin out of pattern is the 1972 2 pence. I have not found the reverse with the upright of E of NEW pointing to a space between border beads, but I feel it MUST exist. The Royal Mint has said that 'new reverse tools were made during the production of 1972 Proofs, but in the case of the TWO PENCE the new tools were available so early it may be that all the two pence Proofs were of the same type'. But why then revert to the old type dies in 1973 to 1975, when both types were produced?” The first major article on two pence varieties was E B Mackenzie published in COIN on the 30th November 1979, The Plumes on your Pence. This follows on from his earlier letters and describes seven reverse varieties and four different obverses. Reverses A-D are the same as those posted earlier in COINS, July ’71 and Oct ’73. Reverses A-E and G are all minor varieties relating to changes in the left and central plumes and details on the coronet (and in the final article by Ron Stafford published in September 1987 are all referred to as Reverse A). Reverse F is the only other major reverse variety and is later referred to as reverse B. The 25 Jan-7 Feb 1980 edition of COIN (formerly Coin Monthly) has an article “Decimal Bronze ½, 1 & 2 Pence Varieties 1971-79” by Iain W P Dracott, K B Wiles and Ron Stafford. This expands on the previous article by E B Mackenzie adding slightly more detail. A Correction and addendum to this article from Iain Dracott was made in the 7 Mar-20 Mar 1980 Coin. The October 1984 issue of COIN MONTHLY (formerly COIN) sees Iain WP Dracott’s “Addendum to Decimal Bronze”. This article formalises and reclassifies the various Obverses and Reverses giving die pairing for both circulation and proof coins and mention is made of the BU specimen sets that were introduced in 1982. The final major article on UK decimal coinage is Ron Stafford’s “Coin Varieties: Latest Discoveries” in the July through October 1987 editions of Coin Monthly. This series summarises and in some cases reclassifies all previous published data and truly forms the basis for all future studies. It is his Sept 1987 article which forms the basis of my own studies. I have retained his classifications for dates up to 1986 and extended them with my own data through to the final “Ironside” 2 pence (type 13E, plume 9) in 2008. The last article of any kind is Patrick MacKenzies’s The 1990 UK Circulation Coinage in the April 191 edition of Coin Monthly, wherein he discusses the then new trend of the Royal Mint issuing coins in sets with slight differences to those in circulation! One final point that needs noting is the size of the boarder beads varies some what with those in the sets being generally smaller and further from the rim than the circulation issues. Its very easy to convince yourself that there are variations in bead size and position on the circulation issues, but I believe its an illusion and I can never see them the following morning! Decimal 2 pence Obverses and Reverses Obverse 1 (1) 139 bb. (2) 1 in 19 lt bb. (3) A in ELIZA to sp. (4) E in ELIZ to sp. Obverse 2 (1) 139 bb. (2) 1 in 19 to bb. (3) A in ELIZA to bb. (4) E in ELIZ to bb. Obverse 3 (1) 135 bb. (2) 1 in 19 lt bb. (3) A in ELIZA to bb. (4) E in ELIZ to sp. Obverse 4 (1) 136 bb. (2) 1 in 19 lt bb. (3) A of ELIZABETH to sp. (4) E in ELIZ to sp. Obverse 5 (1) 136 bb (2) 1 in 19 rt bb. (3) As obverse 4 except that the date has been moved Obverse 6 (1) 136 bb. (2) D to bb (3) R to sp (4) 1 of 19 lt bb. (5) I in ELIZ rt bb (6) A to sp (7) 1st I of II to bb. Obverse 7 (1) 135 bb. (2) D rt bb (3) R to bb (4) 1 of 19 to bb. (5) I in ELIZ to bb (6) A rt bb (7) 1st I of II rt bb. Obverse 8 (1) 135 bb. (2) D lt bb (3) R rt bb (4) 1 of 19 rt bb. (5) I in ELIZ to sp (6) A to sp (7) 1st I of II sl bb. Obverse 9 (1) 136 bb. (2) D to sp (3) R rt bb (4) 1 of 19 rt bb. (5) I in ELIZ to bb (6) A rt bb (7) 1st I of II lt bb. Obverse 10 (1) 135 bb. (2) D sr bb (3) R sl bb (4) 1 of 19 to bb. (5) I in ELIZ rt bb (6) A to sp (7) 1st I of II lt bb. Obverse 11 (1) 135 bb. (2) D lt bb (3) R sr bb (4) 1 of 19 sr bb. (5) I in ELIZ sl bb (6) A to bb (7) 1st I of II to bb. Obverse 12 (1) 133 bb. (2) R to bb (3) F to bb (4) 1 of 19 to bb. (5) I in ELIZ sr bb (6) E to bb (7) 1st I of II sl bb. Obverse 13 (1) 132 bb. (2) R to sp (3) F lt bb (4) D sr bb. (5) I in ELIZ lt bb (6) E lt bb (7) 1st I of II sr bb Reverse A (1) 142 bb. (2) L Leg of N in PENCE to bb. (3) E in NCE to bb. Reverse B (1) 139 bb. (2) L Leg of N in PENCE to sp. (3) E in NCE to sp. Reverse C (1) 135 bb. (2) P in PENCE to sp. (3) 1st leg of N lt bb (4) E sr bb (5) T sr bb (6) W to sp. (7) Legend reads TWO PENCE Reverse D (1) 135 bb. (2) P in PENCE rt bb. (3) 1st leg of N to sp (4) E to bb (5) T sr bb (6) W rt bb. Reverse E (1) 134 bb. (2) P in PENCE lt bb. (3) 1st leg of N rt bb (4) E to bb (5) T to sp (6) W to bb. The Plumes on your Two Pence E.B.Mackenzie gave each Reverse with a different plume/coronet a unique letter and he also gave each plume a unique number as follows: Reverse Plume A 1 B 1 C 2 D 3 E 4 F 5 G 1 H 6 I 7 Reverses H and I were added by Iain WP Dracott and I allocated them plume numbers Please note that from 1987 onwards, Reverses A-E and G-H become Rev A, Reverse F becomes B and Reverse I becomes C. Summary of Die Combernations Nb; The lower case letter or number following the Reverse letter is the old pre ’87 reverse or later plume number that I have allocated. Circulation 1971 - 1Aa,b,c,d 1972-1974 - None minted 1975 - 1Ad and 1Bf scarce 1976 - 1lAe and 1Bf fairly scarce 1977 - 2Ae,g 1978 - 4Ag 1979 - 4Ag,h 1980 - 4Ae,g,h and 4Bf very scarce 1981 - 4Ag,h 1982-1984 - None minted 1985 - 6Ci 1986-1988 - 8Ci 1989 - 10Ci 1990-1991 - 8Ci 1992 - 8Ci and 8D10 1993 - 10Ci and 10D10 and 11Ci 1994 - 8D12 1995-1996 - 10D12 1997 - 8D12 1998 - 12D12 Bronze and Cps 1999 - 12D12 2000-2001 - 13D12 2001-2008 - 13D10 Bfdc set 1971 1Aa BU sets 1982-1983 - 4Ci 1984 - 5Ci 1985 - 6Ci 1986 - 7Ci 1987 - 8Ci 1988 - 9Ci 1989-1990 - 10C8 1991-1992 - 10D9 1993-1994 - 10D11 1995 - 10D9 1996 - 10D11 1997 - 10D9 1998-1999 – 12D9 2000-2003 – 13D9 2004-2008 – 13E9 Proof sets 1971 - 1Ad 1972-1975 - 1Ae and 1Bf 1976 - 1Bf 1977 - 3Bf 1978 - 3Bf, scarcer, and 4Bf 1979-1981 - 4Bf 1982-1983 - 4Ci 1984 - 5Ci 1985 - 6Ci 1986 - 7Ci 1987 - 8Ci 1988 - 9Ci 1989 - 10Ci 1990-1992 - 10D9 1993-1994 - 10D11 1995-1997 - 10D9 1998-1999 – 12D9 2000-2003 – 13D9 2004-2008 – 13E9 I will add annotated pictures of the varieties and plumes soon.

Here is an email (sent 06/04/2018) I received from the Royal Mint Museum; "Dear Mr AardHawk Please accept my apologies for the delay in response to your most recent email. Having reviewed the Annual Reports for the period in question, there were approximately 6,164,050 ‘Britain’s First Decimal Coins’ sets released by banks and post offices, with the coins for the sets being struck between 1968 and 1970. The reports we have seem to suggest that the 5p and 10p pieces included in these sets were only dated 1968 as this is the year that the coins were introduced into circulation as legal tender. However, there were 888,000 sets issued in 1969 and we can confirm that some of these did contain 5p and 10p pieces dated 1969. Unfortunately, we are not be able to say how many sets as the Annual Reports we have do not separate out the numbers for the sets. Kind regards Fiona Fiona Trumper Public Engagement & Information Officer" My own research shows that there are at least two different minor varieties of 2p, Reverses Aa and Ab.