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That's an old forgery - possibly contemporary. So far I've seen 1841, 1844 and 1846, all with the same reverse.

In August last year about 250 coins from early 9ct Ribe was found close to the town. The coins are extremely well-preserved except for a few which has been damaged by plowing. Except for 4 coins all are of the ‘face/stag’ type which is believed to date from around 820 AD though they may possibly be slightly earlier. https://sydvestjyskemuseer.wordpress.com/2018/10/24/damhus-skatten-en-stor-skat-af-ribe-moenter-fra-800-tallet-ofret-til-mosens-guder/ (in Danish - but with nice coin pictures) To anyone familiar with the series X (wodan/monster) sceatta it’s oblivious to see the connection to this coinage which are also believed to have been produced in Ribe. Excavations in Ribe have shown that the two coins replace each other in the finds layers of the early 9ct. Hence the series wodan/monster coinage ends its 100 year circulation and is replaced by the face/stag coinage at that time. I’ve been wondering why the reverse doesn’t continues the ‘monster’ design (which looks more like a lying horse) but change it to a stag. The horse-monster does return, but at a later time. The only other coinage of that era which I know is using (what sometimes appears to be) a stag is the Northumbrian 8ct sceattas (mainly of Eadberht 737-758). A few of these even has some of the same ‘field marks’ – a sun(?) above and a triquetra below. So the question is; could there be a connection between the two - An inspiration or a more direct link? I know connections to Northumbria is mentioned in the early legends of Danish kings but most are vague and some (like the tales of Regnar Lodbrog) of a later date than considered here. Any thoughts?

Many sceattas have a horse like reverse. I wonder were the inspiration for the reverse design of the series x came from - perhaps from earlier English sceattas?. The obverse seems to originate from the Byzantine coins of Justinian I.

The motive with the stag also appears on a rare coin of Cnut almost as a 200 anniversary of the original design. It is not the exact same design as the face/stag coin but taken from another contemporary coin – the ship/stag type which as it is smaller and lighter could perhaps be a half penny.

As far I understand Northumbrian at the time of Eadberht was solid Christian and when the triquetra appears it may be thought of as a symbol of the trinity and the sun could be Christ or God. If the stag or more neutral – the Quadruped is a symbol for Northumbria then it must have a different meaning on the Ribe coins. But if it’s a symbol of the ruling family there could be a connection. Coins of Aethelwald Moll, who may have been without ties to the royal family, doesn’t use the ‘stag’ but his son Aethelred I does! I understand that there should be some York coins of the Viking period also picturing the stag but so far I haven’t been able to locate any photos of these. What the triquetra/valknut symbolized in pagan times seems very uncertain. But as Ribe was an important trade centre the symbols on the coins may have been chosen carefully so people of both religions could accept them.

Sure - Perhaps it's easier by mail than uploading them here?

I stated a study some years ago but dropped it again as it got too expensive for me. I have scans of about 32 different die pairs of the shilling and 21 of the sixpence. The only interesting thing I noticed back then was two different types of the D in DEI on obverse on the shilling. Please send a PM if you're interested in all my scans.

BHM list a white metal 40mm medal by T. Halliday as #1075 which should be fairly common. But since there's no picture in the catalogue it's difficult to be sure if it's the same medal.

Like to know what you all think of this one? - I'm not familiar with the series and the condition is rather poor. However the details (especially for the obverse) looks incorrect. Weight is 7.9 gr so it's 1.4 gr under official weight which seems too light even for a low grade example.

Thanks! - much better than the photos I googled. The details are definitely different; fx the letters are more square on my coin. Would be nice to find a better copy though.

I'm quite sure the Royal Mint wasn't involved in the counterfeiting. There are rumors that some of the counterfeit 8 reales were produced with support from the government during the wars with Spain but as far I know it's mere speculation. Also I'm not sure about the laws regarding counterfeiting of foreign coins - but it seems to have been partly legal up to the start of the 19th ct and a large number of European and other coins are known to have been counterfeited in Birmingham, mostly in the late 18th ct.

Received a few copies of the 1822 crown from jinghuashei.com a few days ago. These are poorly executed and without edge lettering. So no problem in hand at least. There's a few repeating depressions which may be useful when judging a photo. Most prominent is a small dot between the forelegs of the horse on reverse.

Plus a large number of flattering medalets/counters produced in connection with his coronation and death (though Queen Caroline counters also are common).

According to: http://www.worldofmoney.birminghamblackhistory.com/story.html the William Booth counterfeits of the 1811 bank tokens were counterfeited in the late 19th century this time for collectors! Anyone who can confirm this? I have round twenty 1811-counterfeits mostly of the 3 shilling which all looks like normal period fakes ... except perhaps for one: This counterfeit has uncommonly large lettering but could still be a 'genuine' period counterfeit unless someone can prove otherwise? Also does anyone know excactly which type of coins were counterfeited by Booth? Andrew Wager list the 1s 6d, 3s. and the 1804 crown (The Mystery of Henry Morgan, Barkham's Press 2007)

I already have a copy

What does the edge of a typical 1804 bank dollar looks like? Flat or slightly rounded – and are traces of the original Spanish-American edge design often or rarely visible? Two of my counterfeit BoE dollars. The left one with a rounded trapezoid shaped edge, and the one on the right almost flat.

That's a nice one azda! There should be a possibility to find a contemporary counterfeit stamped on a genuine undertype - but I think these are extremely rare if yet in existence at all. I'm not really into modern counterfeits, but an underlying design can of course be forged if there's a profit in it... I think I got a little wiser since I'd not given the collar much though at first. However it seems a key to validate if a counterfeit was made by casting or struck using a die transfer technique. I have a number of contemporary BoE dollar counterfeits which I've regarded as cast in the past since they are of official design, but smaller and less detailed as one would expect from a cast. At least some of them now appear to have been made by a die transfer method.

Thanks! A loose collar sounds right, since the 8 reales 'blanks' diffrenced in size and 40,41 and 42 mm dies were used for the BoE dollars - I guess the 8 reales were not even uniform within these 3 size variations.

3 - If beneath the impression of the die it's probably marks from the rolling of the metal sheet or the blanks.

These pictures have been around for a while. The die (pic 7+8) is for the 1822 crown (not 1899 as stated). Probably this very common forgery:

It's quite possible - but as I said I'm no expert on this issue. My guess is that you don't need the actual coin to make a die. You'll probably just need the dimensions + a good picture.

I like the bottom coin much better as all details are much bolder. The two coins clearly share the same die design - however they can't be from the same die unless it was reengraved. Fx.the lines of the bust and around the bust are different.

It has the same thin lettering so I would suspect it to be another fake - Also I don't like the overall design but as I have no knowledge of these coins you should find one who is familiar with the series. Here's a link to the norwegian thread (its in norwegian but I guess a google translate will work) http://www.samlerforum.no/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14145

I would be surprised if those are genuine - the seller has sold several forgeries of Norwegian coins of a similar thin lettered design.

Different coins but probably just as 'valuable': http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Anglo-Saxon-Viking-Penny-king-Cnut-/131898733996?hash=item1eb5c6f5ac:g:gvkAAOSwCfdXo1cF http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ancient-European-Anglo-Saxon-Edward-Silver-Coin-Penny-Vikings-FREE-SHIPPING-/122070509040?hash=item1c6bf825f0:g:kD8AAOSwSgJXNk http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ancient-European-Anglo-Saxon-Silver-Coin-Penny-of-Ethelred-II-Vikings-FREE-SHIP-/122070513193?hash=item1c6bf83629:g:s0IAAOSwtnpXoRXS