Aethelred

Addition by Chris Perkins: Using Aethelred' fabulous cover idea, this is now the forum to submit designs for the front cover. It should preferrably have a white background to keep ink costs down, and should perhaps resemble the previous covers (although I agree they were awful) so that the existing readership will know what it is. Apart from those rough guidelines, the sky's the limit. This forum is just for putting ideas across....If you want to actually produce a proper 'working' cover, you should be able to send me all the fonts used (if I don't have them already), and the images have to be 300dpi. Over to the original Aethelred post: You'll want something that jumps off the shelf at the bookshop! I am no graphic designer, not by a long shot, but here is a concept: Note that it has your web address on the cover and that it only has one coin pictured. The 2004 edition does not make good use of color, the photos are dreadful at best and the overall design is a case study in boring!

I am rather fond of the "Bullhead" Halfcrown of 1816-7, nothing beats it in my opinion. Although I would have sued had I been George III, I think it is a stunning example of the engravers art!

JMD - It was minted in 1793. Per Dalton & Hamer it was issued by Thomas Spence a London coin dealer.

D&H Middlesex 833a - Brown Unc. I love this one! The obverse shows a man hanging on a gibbet with a church in the backdrop, a Union Jack is being flown from the church. The inscription reads "END OF PAIN." The reverse shows an open book that reads "THE WRONGS OF MAN" on the left leaf and "JAN.y 21: 1793." on the right leaf. I had to think about this one for a while before I understood the political message that the designer of this token was trying to convey, but I believe this is it: The inscription "END OF PAIN" is a pun on Thomas Paine, who was hated by most Englishmen of the 1790s. The designer is suggesting that the obverse scene would in fact be a welcome end to Thomas Paine. The inscription "THE WRONGS OF MAN" is an obvious jab at Paine's book "The Rights of Man" which was published in 1791. The date on the right leaf of the book 21 January 1793 is the date that King Louis XVI of France was executed. The suggestion here is that Paine's ideas lead to the death of the King of France and would do the same for the King of England if his ideas were to gain a following there.

I agree that the reverse fails to match the impact that the obverse has. BTW - I need to get a better photo of this one, I was in a hurry to get it online. Very nice surfaces when looked at in hand.

Lancashire Halfpenny Token D & H-58 1794. EDGE: "PAYABLE.IN.LANCASTER.LIVERPOOL.&.MANCHESTER." This one was manufactured by Matthew Boulton. I like it because it anticipates the Soho copper coinage of 1797.

Do you by chance have a photo of either token?

I can work on Shillings if you like Chris.

I was told the same thing at the 2004 FUN Show in Florida. Too bad as that was a great catalog. "Good books bad books, you know I've had my share, but when Coincraft left town for another year, Spink didn't seem to care." Sorry Chris!

I really hope a few of you will read up on your British history! At any rate, I am suspect third party grading will be the rule in Europe twenty years from now. I don't know that it will be Sheldon that you will use (and hope not, I think the British system is pretty much fine as it), but I would expect to see more grades for unc. coins in your near future. Too many people have made too much money for it not to happen!

As someone who doesn't eat or pay rent if I don't sell coins, I know where Chris is coming from. He needs to sell coins and books if he is going to be able to continue with this coin gig! If there is anything you can do to sell more books and more coins, do it Chris! You might change the name of this forum and add a sub-forum for questions and comments about the books (perhaps even one for each title you carry), make sure there is plenty of cross linkage between Rotographic and Predecimal.

The George III book has potential to be rewritten into something very interesting and useful. I would hate very much to see it fall by the wayside! I see something with a better bio of George III, a general overview of the coinage and specific overviews of each denomination at the start of that section. I'd also like it to have more on Conders and the early 19th Century tokens. If you wish to retain the section on Irish coins you'll be on your own, I know less than nothing about Irish coins! Perhaps in CCGB-2005 you should start the coppers with 1797 and begin the silver with the New Coinage of 1816.

Two more points: 1. Looks like this book is taking in a big part of the reign of George III, for example you have all of the 3d. from 1762, copper from 1797. Why not just go all the way and take in all of the coins from George's reign, it would only be a small step from where you are now. 2. I grant Rotographic the right to use any photographs or other graphics or images that may be of use found on my website (http://www.aethelred.net). If you need anything cropped or altered in any way, or if you need additional photographs, please feel free to ask.

If I may be so bold, what purpose does the list of monarchs serve? I would suspect that anyone smart enough to collect British coins will already know who has ruled the country for the last 200 years and if not that information is readily avaliable elsewhere. Im my opinion that space could be better used with perhaps a list of the operational dates of the various mints.

Question Chris, will you be able to do the coin or coins in color?

Led Zeppelin never gets old to me Chris, I could listen to 1-4 endlessly and never get sick of them! See if this concept for acover works better:

One think I should warn you all about is that I am colorblind! When I do something like this and it comes off garish, that is why!

How should I change it?

I have just bought a copy of Dalton and Hamer along with a few Conder tokens. Looks like quite an interesting area. I was wondering if anyone else here shares this interest? Chris, do you ever sell them?

Looks interesting! Thank you Chris.

Oops, brain fart! It is the 1806-7 halfpenny that you don't have, so the following photo is the one you might need:

I notice that you don't currently have a photo of the 1806-7 Penny, if you wish you may use this photo of an 1807 from my collection:

Have a look at this one Chris:

We do this a lot over on the Coin Universe Forums, but I don't see any here, so I am giving a coin away with no strings attached! Here is how it works: To enter all you have to do is state you desire to win below, it is really that easy! I will select a first and second place winner in a few days. The first place winner will choose his prize and the second place winner will get the other item. If you are selected all you have to do is send me a PM with the address you want your coin shipped to, I even pay the shipping! Item 1: 1963 US Franklin Half Dollar Unc. Item 2: 1964 US Kennedy Half Dollar Unc.

The winners are: drumroll......... Sylvester and Emperor Oli Please PM me with your shipping address and Sylvester needs to let me know which he would like.