1919 Penny with dot by date, how rare?

[Rob 3,126]

There is plenty of evidence for both methods if you look around. Mint products look in the main to be filled.

[jacinbox 36]

Can you elaborate Jac? I can't find any literature regarding this type of dot, at least not amid the plethora of 'Australian dot below scroll' results :/

There are specimens that I are known to have a small raised dot where the 'H' of the Heaton mint would have been.

Some argue that these specimens were struck by the London mint to check how the aesthetics of the coin would change if a character were introduced. However others argue that this was due a clogged die. One has to consider that the circumference of this dot is almost perfect and it is of an uniform size on most coins meaning there is a good chance that this was a deliberate addition. Have to wait for someone like Gary or Bernie to respond so that we can hear their views.

[Rob 3,126]

The jury is out on these. A few sales ago, London Coins had a penny in high grade, but the H or KN? (can't remember, but probably KN as I wouldn't have looked at it otherwise) was extremely soft and indistinct, whereas the letter(s) are usually sharp. I wasn't sure what to make of it. Filled die where the filler had partially fallen out on the die, or letters added post-mint?

[PWA 1967 2,100]

David i am sure will give a good opinion..

I cant see anything that would give the coin a premium or make it stand out.

Hope i am wrong but imo not done intentionally .

Pete.

[bhx7 222]

Hi Pete

No worries. To me it is more the discussion and that I may have something, whether valueable or not, that is numismatically interesting. The coin itself is worn out,

but my interest is to how and why the "dot/mark" is there. Was it from reused, Kings Norton dies, etc.. which had not been filled in correctly. If so its a great piece

for the collection and helps me understand a little more about the history of the Royal Mint, etc..

Would love to know David's thoughts on the coin and have been really intrigued at the discussion so far from Matt, Vicky, Rob, Coinery, Jacinbox and yourself.

Although lots of speculation its been really interesting seeing the range of idea's and thoughts. This group and the people in it are great. So pleased I joined.

Thanks for the information you sent to my e-mail Pete. Once again appreciate all the help.

Brian

[jacinbox 36]

It's not a known major variant but a minor one.

Yet it is a variant and as someone that collects variants I would be interested in acquiring the specimen if you are considering selling it.

If you don't want to sell then I would still say you are looking at a 100x premium on the coin. The 1919 London mint coin in the current state would have got you 20p so 100 times that or £20 - £40 you could get for it in my opinion.

Happy collecting and congrats on owning the coin.

[bhx7 222]

Hi Jacinbox

Not sure its worth anyone buying as the coin is so worn. Nice to know it may have a premium. I think it is just a real curio.

I have done some pics in Photoshops overlaying the Dot/Mark 1919 over the 1919 KN. I have coloured the mark in slightly red so it stands out a bit more. But it does definately line up with the

N of KN very nicely.

The for shows them exactly merged 50/50 the second I pulled the 2 apart to show a ghosting between them.

Cheers

Brian

[bhx7 222]

Think Coinery would have probably done a better job than me. I will have to learn how to start taking photo's of my coins!!!!!!!

[Coinery 1,114]

Think Coinery would have probably done a better job than me. I will have to learn how to start taking photo's of my coins!!!!!!!

Not at all! We are all in the same boat here...playing, tweaking, experimenting, no perfect way, believe me, I've tried!

[Vespesian 7]

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[Vespesian 7]

Is there a possible connection between my raised dot 1911 penny with your raised dot 1919 penny ?  Both dots are a similar size and appear to be in the same place adjacent to the date . Was the Royal Mint experimenting with die wear before the minting of the 1912H penny ?

[Bronze & Copper Collector 411]

6 hours ago, Vespesian said:

Is there a possible connection between my raised dot 1911 penny with your raised dot 1919 penny ?  Both dots are a similar size and appear to be in the same place adjacent to the date . Was the Royal Mint experimenting with die wear before the minting of the 1912H penny ?

Interesting that there is a similar dot to the right of the date, but I also think I see dots to the left of the O in ONE, after the E in ONE, above Brittania's helmut plume, and under the E in PENNY.

It could be the image or, if the dots are truly there, then possibly corrosion on the die.

[secret santa 2,282]

These dots appear randomly across the years - see my website:

https://rarestpennies.wordpress.com/scarce-dot-pennies/#top