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[Citizen H 132]

14 minutes ago, copper123 said:

I would say around £2

I think it was a 20p purchase many many moons ago.....still not tempted to dip into the ice cream container of pennies 50p each to the Antiques fair... there's silver out there ....somewhere with my name on them, many many thanks "H"   

[copper123 1,600]

On 4/9/2025 at 3:16 PM, Citizen H said:

I think it was a 20p purchase many many moons ago.....still not tempted to dip into the ice cream container of pennies 50p each to the Antiques fair... there's silver out there ....somewhere with my name on them, many many thanks "H"   

 I love a rummage in a 50p box , have picked out many a bargain , sadly few recently...

[Citizen H 132]

25 minutes ago, copper123 said:

 I love a rummage in a 50p box , have picked out many a bargain , sadly few recently...

it was the days of boot fairs i miss, then the bloody computers...oh and now the phones apps one guy held me up kept barging in whilst I was having a look see...still I did get the manky's and they cleaned up nicely... all the best and good hunting.  👍   

Edited April 10 by Citizen H

[copper123 1,600]

Never found much at car boots they have always been a dead loss,  there again I do go to the birmingham coin fair regularly ..

Edited April 10 by copper123

[terrysoldpennies 830]

This one was up for auction at a starting price at £2.80 with no offers.  Then it disappeared only to turn up as sold for £47.   Its a Satin 28a. I only know of three, Bernie's one on Richards site,  this one,  and one other [No pic.]    1861 Freeman 4+D  Centrally cut ribbon with misaligned colon after F:D:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/205436457401?_skw=1861+penny&itmmeta=01JSA06W8S3BFBQPH51PKENESB&hash=item2fd4f791b9:g:IdcAAeSwbtRoA5S2&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA4FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1d%2BQkGYEEyLO3zLsTXIJEyWIa6xLVpE35IrDPBn9qmxFJkZt0i3drt54CP8OXL5UPAyG9trH%2BjDR7UMWMpvhzXH7myS8d%2Fd4JBE1laG5KNccTvpGKw7T3DMCEV3fO2Z6ITP0C3rgaINuxjo1RJL3idV2kEdE6qQm5oTP8%2B54xIdtP6%2FNX7G4Fll3veMNqzHmOvE7pQB5hccRPNsdluyKgyyudwU1IYz%2FJ0ybeGiPjwjhGC%2FihHVRDDaM0DEYNiUFa8tAWHkXoIIu%2BkvuOEnUgrA|tkp%3ABk9SR8zEm8DKZQ

[jelida 1,416]

well spotted Terry, got me looking at my three 1861 Gouby G's , the first from LCA and then cheap examples from Ebay and the Midland Coin Fair. To my mind the second coin could also be a 're-entered colon' example, though with a narrower colon in this case. What do you think?

Jerry

[jelida 1,416]

[terrysoldpennies 830]

yes , I agree your middle example looks just like my 1860 Gouby Vc coin pictured below,  but with the 1861 reverse .   

 

[secret santa 2,411]

On 4/21/2025 at 7:07 PM, jelida said:

got me looking at my three 1861 Gouby G's

Have I got all 3 of these, Jerry ?

[jelida 1,416]

1 hour ago, secret santa said:

Have I got all 3 of these, Jerry ?

I’ll have to check the first, and you don’t have the third. I’ll email you the images probably tomorrow.

Jerry

[The Bee 262]

Reverse j or ja ?

Hi,

I have great difficulty in telling the difference between reverse j and reverse ja

Great to get your thoughts !

Very Best Regards

 

 

 

[secret santa 2,411]

Have you looked at my website ? Your picture is clearly ja.

https://pennyvarieties.wordpress.com/victoria-bronze-reverses/

Rev j above

Rev ja above

Edited May 22 by secret santa
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[The Bee 262]

7 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Your picture is clearly ja

Many thanks Richard for confirming, even with the website and "The British Bronze Penny", this is one that still confuses me.

It is a 1874 with the description " j " and I thought it might be a "ja" 

Very Best Regards 

[jelida 1,416]

Yes, it’s a ja. Is it F72 or F78? The F72 ja variety seems rare in the higher grades - most are plain obverse j. All the F78 are ja and it is a fairly scarce coin .

Jerry

[The Bee 262]

Hi Jerry,

It was described as "1874, older head, small date, Fr. 72, Gouby dies K/j, about UNC, much lustre." Which would be F72 

Here is the Obverse

[secret santa 2,411]

2 hours ago, jelida said:

The F72 ja variety seems rare in the higher grades

Yes, I think I'll add it to my rare penny site - I'd appreciate anyone's photos, please.

[The Bee 262]

Many thanks again Richard for confirming it was ja and if the photos are helpful, please do use them. It came with what I believe is an 1875 Gouby Lk (so normal penny variety for 1875) in the same condition.

Very Best Regards 

[martinross44 8]

Hi folks, I'm hoping for a few extra pairs of eyes in case I have a bit of confirmation bias going on. I believe this is a reverse F, but it is very worn! 

[jelida 1,416]

2 hours ago, The Bee said:

Hi Jerry,

It was described as "1874, older head, small date, Fr. 72, Gouby dies K/j, about UNC, much lustre." Which would be F72 

Here is the Obverse

I think that actually might be an F78, it has the narrower gap between the ribbons, the gap is wider on an F72. But one of the best that I’ve seen.

Do you agree Richard?

Jerry

[jelida 1,416]

50 minutes ago, martinross44 said:

Hi folks, I'm hoping for a few extra pairs of eyes in case I have a bit of confirmation bias going on. I believe this is a reverse F, but it is very worn! 

It could well be, though I am not sure that the rock to the lower left of the shield is present which would be diagnostic. Can you post both sides, these rare coins tend to have very few die pairings and digit spacing etc will help confirm the possibility?

Jerry

[Peckris 2 2,238]

1 hour ago, The Bee said:

Many thanks again Richard for confirming it was ja and if the photos are helpful, please do use them. It came with what I believe is an 1875 Gouby Lk (so normal penny variety for 1875) in the same condition.

Very Best Regards 

It’s very definitely Reverse ja, else it would be Reverse nein.

[martinross44 8]

29 minutes ago, jelida said:

It could well be, though I am not sure that the rock to the lower left of the shield is present which would be diagnostic. Can you post both sides, these rare coins tend to have very few die pairings and digit spacing etc will help confirm the possibility?

Jerry

Obverse is most definitely a Freeman 4. Coin is an 1861, so reverse options would be D, F and G. 99% sure its not a G. Unfortunately I think the area around the shield where a rock could be is just too far gone, hence the reliance on the domed lighthouse, thicker plume and number of teeth between the top of the lighthouse and bottom of the O

[terrysoldpennies 830]

1 hour ago, jelida said:

I think that actually might be an F78, it has the narrower gap between the ribbons, the gap is wider on an F72. But one of the best that I’ve seen.

Do you agree Richard?

Jerry

I'm not Richard but I agree . I think its an F78 

[secret santa 2,411]

14 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said:

I think its an F78

Yup !

[jelida 1,416]

2 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

It’s very definitely Reverse ja, else it would be Reverse nein.

Clever, Chris, though it took me a few minutes………….😀

Jerry