CGS - A customer-facing business?

[azda 978]

Plugged or not, i think its a quality coin, i'm not sure it will affect its value greatly, but we'll see.

[Rob 3,124]

Plugged or not, i think its a quality coin, i'm not sure it will affect its value greatly, but we'll see.

The estimate on the Exeter D30 crown was halved on the day with a saleroom notice because it was plugged at 6 o'clock. It might be done very well, but once known gives the seller an uphill battle to raise the price buyers are prepared to pay.

[azda 978]

Plugged or not, i think its a quality coin, i'm not sure it will affect its value greatly, but we'll see.

The estimate on the Exeter D30 crown was halved on the day with a saleroom notice because it was plugged at 6 o'clock. It might be done very well, but once known gives the seller an uphill battle to raise the price buyers are prepared to pay.

What was the original estimate Rob?

[Rob 3,124]

Plugged or not, i think its a quality coin, i'm not sure it will affect its value greatly, but we'll see.

The estimate on the Exeter D30 crown was halved on the day with a saleroom notice because it was plugged at 6 o'clock. It might be done very well, but once known gives the seller an uphill battle to raise the price buyers are prepared to pay.

What was the original estimate Rob?

£600-800 reduced to £300-350

[azda 978]

I think i just bought this one, but it's not been added to my bought lots as yet, so i'll have to wait and see, but this will be shipped to CGS because of the OBV legend lettering

You should have bought the previous lot - much nicer.

Just checked, and i did win it

[Peter 615]

Nice Dave

Will you move it on?I have trouble doing that. Hence my dining room is now the coin room with books,cabinets,and other goodies

[azda 978]

Nice Dave

Will you move it on?I have trouble doing that. Hence my dining room is now the coin room with books,cabinets,and other goodies

I will be doing Peter, but going to send it to CGS first due to the amount of forgeries of the Northumberland. The 1935 Rocking horse proof i showed in the aquisition of the week thread is there just now

[ski 1]

Elizabeth II (1952-), Proof nickel-brass Threepence, on twelve sided flan, 1957, young laureate head right, rev crowned chained portcullis, date below, value around (Peck 2499; S.4153). With a very dark tone, as struck, housed in NGC holder and graded as PF65. Interestingly NGC have concluded the coin is copper zinc...

i lifted this from an email baldwins put out this morning....ngc really should get in a uk coin expert.

[azda 978]

Elizabeth II (1952-), Proof nickel-brass Threepence, on twelve sided flan, 1957, young laureate head right, rev crowned chained portcullis, date below, value around (Peck 2499; S.4153). With a very dark tone, as struck, housed in NGC holder and graded as PF65. Interestingly NGC have concluded the coin is copper zinc...

i lifted this from an email baldwins put out this morning....ngc really should get in a uk coin expert.

And they're not wrong either

[VickySilver 825]

Although NGC do have a spectoscopy device that CAN measure exact composition of a coin be it Brit, American, Russian or whatever...Wonder if it was run on this coin?

BTW, with that device, it would put them rather a leap ahead of CGS...LOL...Just thought I'd ignite the fires here a bit.

[azda 978]

Plugged or not, i think its a quality coin, i'm not sure it will affect its value greatly, but we'll see.

The estimate on the Exeter D30 crown was halved on the day with a saleroom notice because it was plugged at 6 o'clock. It might be done very well, but once known gives the seller an uphill battle to raise the price buyers are prepared to pay.

What was the original estimate Rob?

£600-800 reduced to £300-350

£360 hammer

[Nick 329]

Although NGC do have a spectoscopy device that CAN measure exact composition of a coin be it Brit, American, Russian or whatever...Wonder if it was run on this coin?

BTW, with that device, it would put them rather a leap ahead of CGS...LOL...Just thought I'd ignite the fires here a bit.

For once, I'm on NGC's side Copper Zinc is at least as good a description as Nickel-Brass. Copper and Zinc make up 99% of the composition, so Nickel is hardly even worth a mention.

[Bill Pugsley 0]

Although NGC do have a spectoscopy device that CAN measure exact composition of a coin be it Brit, American, Russian or whatever...Wonder if it was run on this coin?

BTW, with that device, it would put them rather a leap ahead of CGS...LOL...Just thought I'd ignite the fires here a bit.

I have a warm feeling (get it?). If a UK coin is so special it needs a spectoscopy test I would recommend sending it to the Royal Mint as they apparently have some wonderful devices for checking coins (like telling me my 1933 bronze penny was a forgery.....).

NGC (and PCGS) accept coins at coin shows and encapsulate them at the event and I am pretty sure they do not take their serious equipment to these events when they do so.

If CGS had enough coins being submitted and thus a clearer revenue stream I am sure they would consider any and all devices to improve their (in my opinion) great service. I will make sure I pass the idea on at the next CGS Forum meeting.

[RLC35 288]

Although NGC do have a spectoscopy device that CAN measure exact composition of a coin be it Brit, American, Russian or whatever...Wonder if it was run on this coin?

BTW, with that device, it would put them rather a leap ahead of CGS...LOL...Just thought I'd ignite the fires here a bit.

I have a warm feeling (get it?). If a UK coin is so special it needs a spectoscopy test I would recommend sending it to the Royal Mint as they apparently have some wonderful devices for checking coins (like telling me my 1933 bronze penny was a forgery.....).

NGC (and PCGS) accept coins at coin shows and encapsulate them at the event and I am pretty sure they do not take their serious equipment to these events when they do so.

If CGS had enough coins being submitted and thus a clearer revenue stream I am sure they would consider any and all devices to improve their (in my opinion) great service. I will make sure I pass the idea on at the next CGS Forum meeting.

Bill,

NGC and PCGS do grade, and encapsule coins, at some of the larger coins shows. However, they only do that with U.S. Coins. I have never seen them accept "Foreign" coins at those shows, for on-site grading and encapsulation.

[ski 1]

as baldwins said interesting...... i guess they would call aluminium coins aluminum, easy to forget the obvious sometimes.

Ive never been to an american coin show, im guessing they are massive compared to our own shows, so maybe grading/slabbing is far more viable an option there on the day. as Bill says the market here needs to grow to support such possibilities.

what sort of time scale does it take for a spectoscopy device to give the composition of a material? seconds, minutes ???

[Nick 329]

as baldwins said interesting...... i guess they would call aluminium coins aluminum, easy to forget the obvious sometimes.

Ive never been to an american coin show, im guessing they are massive compared to our own shows, so maybe grading/slabbing is far more viable an option there on the day. as Bill says the market here needs to grow to support such possibilities.

what sort of time scale does it take for a spectoscopy device to give the composition of a material? seconds, minutes ???

These days you can get a hand-held XRF that will give you an accurate answer in seconds.

[RLC35 288]

as baldwins said interesting...... i guess they would call aluminium coins aluminum, easy to forget the obvious sometimes.

Ive never been to an american coin show, im guessing they are massive compared to our own shows, so maybe grading/slabbing is far more viable an option there on the day. as Bill says the market here needs to grow to support such possibilities.

what sort of time scale does it take for a spectoscopy device to give the composition of a material? seconds, minutes ???

Ski,

Most local (city, County) Coin Clubs, here in the U.S. have a annual show with from 40 to 80 dealers present. State Shows (Indiana for example) are from 100 dealers, and up. Larger shows, like Florida United Numismatic (FUN),National Money Show, American Numismatic Assn. (ANA), Central States (CSNS), etc. are usually 250 to 500 Dealers, and up. Coin collecting is a big deal here in the United States.

I belong to 4 Coin Clubs here in Indiana. The Muncie Coin Club, being the largest, with about 250 members. The Muncie Club has a active meeting attendence of usually 75 to 100 members, and always has a auction on meeting night of about 100 to 120 lots.

[Peter 615]

Bob

I would love it but we have a 20% population of the US and much lesser spending money.We still have a history and the ability to find 2,000 year old coins in the next field.

[RLC35 288]

Bob

I would love it but we have a 20% population of the US and much lesser spending money.We still have a history and the ability to find 2,000 year old coins in the next field.

Peter, You are correct about the detecting of old coins. In fact, one of the members of the Muncie Coin Club, sponsors two (2) trips per year, with about 10 people each trip, and goes detecting for those coins you mention. They go 50-60 miles south of London, but I am not sure exactly where. They always find a lot of coins, though some are common. The only thing they don't like about the trip, is having to turn the coins over to the antiqities people for evaluation. It takes them 6 months to a year to get them back! Ha,Ha.

[Nick 329]

Bob

I would love it but we have a 20% population of the US and much lesser spending money.We still have a history and the ability to find 2,000 year old coins in the next field.

Peter, You are correct about the detecting of old coins. In fact, one of the members of the Muncie Coin Club, sponsors two (2) trips per year, with about 10 people each trip, and goes detecting for those coins you mention. They go 50-60 miles south of London, but I am not sure exactly where. They always find a lot of coins, though some are common. The only thing they don't like about the trip, is having to turn the coins over to the antiqities people for evaluation. It takes them 6 months to a year to get them back! Ha,Ha.

That'll be France then!

[RLC35 288]

Maybe it was West of London! Ha,Ha!

[azda 978]

I recently read somewhere that people living on the South coast (white cliffs of Dover area) that their mobile phones were switching to a french Network lol

[Peter 615]

The trips are run by Colchester detecting club.They offer accomodation ,food access to land. I did enquire for a days tuition with an experienced detectorist.

[Peter 615]

Here is link

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/home.htm

[Bill Pugsley 0]

Getting back to RXF devices - I made inquiries thinking if not too much I would buy one for myself. I came to earth with a big bump! Even a handheld that I am assured would tell in seconds the composition of coins with a read out and optional computer link (with software) was £17,000 (seventeen thousand pounds) plus VAT..... Maybe one day CGS will get one.