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[copper123 1,434]

All fakes like these coins being talked about on here turned the American market to slabbing ,I really hope it does not have the same effect here.....

[SilverAge3 58]

8 hours ago, copper123 said:

All fakes like these coins being talked about on here turned the American market to slabbing ,I really hope it does not have the same effect here.....

Now of course we have fake slabs too, courtesy of temu, ali, wish, etc. Some of them are far more difficult to spot than others.  Sad that scammers muck everything up.

Edited February 22 by SilverAge3

[secret santa 2,137]

2 hours ago, SilverAge3 said:

Now of course we have fake slabs too

I haven't seen any of these yet - do you have any pictures ?

[SilverAge3 58]

1 hour ago, secret santa said:

I haven't seen any of these yet - do you have any pictures ?

Jack Young, who writes articles for coin week, apparently has a facebook group on counterfeit detection and investigation, "Dark Side" Counterfeits and Fakes Facebook watch group. I assume some of the fake slabs appear there with the raws, but I'm no longer on FB.

 

Here's a listing on aliexpress. They photoshopped 'copy' on to photos, but it's obvious it's not on the coins/slabs. Many such pieces on these sites, both raw and slabbed. Some target high priced coins, others worth very little --fake junk silver dimes have been found in the wild, real ones worth roughly $2 each. It's crazy. Of course the UK has lots of fake £2 coins in circulation, it seems, too.

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805989895039.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.13.3847Xa3eXa3elY&algo_pvid=94dd9e8a-2260-41a9-94e1-64617e695a58&algo_exp_id=94dd9e8a-2260-41a9-94e1-64617e695a58-6&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!14.18!0.99!!!101.47!7.07!%40210318e817085945258765160e3ce0!12000036139433804!sea!US!189893809!AB&curPageLogUid=pkQUzlX8srcb&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa 

clues: This one the font is wrong on the label, layout on label is wrong. Logo looks too soft, tho scanned images do this, too. Big give away. Fonts often are a big clue, require comparing to others known to be legit (tho they change fonts, holders,labels, logos, holograms, many generations from each of them). Some use NGC type labels in PCGS-style holders. Some PCGS-style holders aren't molded to say PCGS in frame. Some don't have logos the correct color on labels, or holograms are off. Some will say things like "morgan $1" on years other than 1921 -- only year labels differentiate between morgan of peace $.  it's late so I'm forgetting more tells I know I've seen.

But sometimes they're really pretty good, too. Just like the 'coins' themselves. Some are really good.

 

Needless to say, the fakes find their way to ebay, both raw and slabbed.

 

 

Edited February 22 by SilverAge3

[SilverAge3 58]

Not slabbed, but you can look at aliexpress, alibaba, temu, wish, likely more places, to see British coins too. These will be sold out on ebay, facebook, wherever someone can pass them off. 

as this seller states: "My store all coins just pictures have the copy mark ,but when you receive the real coins no copy mark in your hands ,so please do not worry ,you can directly order,thanks "

https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-Britain-penny.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.search.0

We should really be paying attention to the sources for ebay scammers, like this, and noting what is off with these copies, and help educate collectors.

The counterfeits definitely were a factor in widespread adoption for TPG over here. It's an arms race against the counterfeiters. British coins being targeted msy play a role in increased slabbing there too. Another factor in adoption was throttling slimy sellers overgrading or plainly leaving out issues with coins, esp if done by mail order/online.  The preservation of the coins is one aspect I do appreciate, though I have a love/hate relationship w/ slabbed coins.

Edited February 22 by SilverAge3

[copper123 1,434]

Ah that must be where marley bob gets her many many 1933 pennies along with the barely believable stories

[secret santa 2,137]

6 hours ago, SilverAge3 said:

We should really be paying attention to the sources for ebay scammers, like this, and noting what is off with these copies, and help educate collectors.

I'm building up some details of these fakes/replicas on my varieties site:

https://headsntails14.wordpress.com/fakes-replicas/#top

[SilverAge3 58]

On one hand i'm tempted to buy one of every one of these i find, to have to inspect in-hand. On the other hand, i feel like i'm encouraging and supporting this racket if i do. I'd also need to collect many fake US 'coins,' as i collect those, and fakes target that market more aggressively (as US coins are a predominant market), altho I focus on US stuff far, far less. 

Richard, i look forward to your analysis of them. Sadly these things will be a constant game of whack-a-mole, or as i said earlier, an arms race. We must be armed and aware of new specimens, and be critical of ways to spot them. Looking at Jack Young as guidance, i mentioned his facebook group, although he focuses on US and US Colonial coinage, he has really a great eye for spotting characteristics of the counterfeits.  His column at coin week is eye opening, even if i'm not on FB any longer, so can't see his group there (he has started one on MyCollect, a collector's social media site i am on).  His column:  https://coinweek.com/1799-draped-bust-dollar-counterfeit-jack-youngs-fun-with-fakes/

 

On MyCollect the groups tracking counterfeits are:

https://www.mycollect.com/groups/counterfeitcoins

https://www.mycollect.com/groups/ebayfakes

It is a tiny social media site, nowhere near the activity i imagine is on FB groups, sort of more like what surviving forums have become, in terms of engagement. Even if they focus on US-based counterfeits, i learn from them and try to apply their knowledge to my field of interest, though i have yards to go to be as shrewd in this capacity. Also, nothing to stop users from posting about non-US fakes there, that is perfectly fine to do.

Edited February 22 by SilverAge3

[Bronze & Copper Collector 410]

Unfortunately, this dissemination of information can, and probably will, be a double edged sword.

The producer (counterfeiter if applicable) can very easily learn his flaws and eliminate them in the future.

Richard, what you are providing to to the collecting community is invaluable,  yet, due to the knowledge being shared, we now have to be more vigilant. The never ending cycle of good against evil.

As good as the top TPG's are (or at least claim to be), there are documented instances of them being fooled too.

We now have to contend with both genuine & counterfeit coins placed in counterfeit holders. We also have had instances of genuine holders being opened and resealed with lower grade coins replacing the original.

Unfortunately, there will always be someone uninformed who will be taken in by these coins or some who thinks the price is "too good to be true", not realizing that it truly is.

Again Richard, thank you for your website, it is most informative and should if possible, when no longer being added to, be published somehow in reference form. Possibly in disk form structured as a website.

 

 

[secret santa 2,137]

Yes, I'm conscious that I'm telling the manufacturers of these coins where they need to improve although that assumes that they're trying to produce absolute copies, which I'm not sure is true. 

[copper123 1,434]

9 hours ago, secret santa said:

Yes, I'm conscious that I'm telling the manufacturers of these coins where they need to improve although that assumes that they're trying to produce absolute copies, which I'm not sure is true. 

They are more interested in something that sells well as it produces a nice profit for them - they are not interested what happens to the coins , if they are passed on as genuine etc

[Peckris 2 2,102]

On 2/21/2024 at 11:38 AM, terrysoldpennies said:

That coin has the modified head found on the 1926 ME and on the 1927 ?

I saw that. I don't smell a rat, I smell a dead heffalump...

[Martinminerva 294]

21 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

I saw that. I don't smell a rat, I smell a dead heffalump...

Just had a look back at that penny to see if any feedback left - no, of course, but noticed this for one of his previous recent "sales": Surprise, surprise!! If someone did "buy" the penny, rather than a shill bid, I would imagine we will be seeing a similar report soon... 😉

FEEDBACK

FEEDBACK	FROM BUYER/PRICE	WHEN
I wouldn’t trust this seller. Never have sent, provided wrong tracking number. Was trying to sell the same ring 2 times. Saphire Solitaire Stunning Stone And 18k White Rhodium Plated For Modern White L (#315130910855)	s***t (491) £176.99

[Peckris 2 2,102]

1 hour ago, Martinminerva said:

Just had a look back at that penny to see if any feedback left - no, of course, but noticed this for one of his previous recent "sales": Surprise, surprise!! If someone did "buy" the penny, rather than a shill bid, I would imagine we will be seeing a similar report soon... 😉

FEEDBACK

FEEDBACK	FROM BUYER/PRICE	WHEN
I wouldn’t trust this seller. Never have sent, provided wrong tracking number. Was trying to sell the same ring 2 times. Saphire Solitaire Stunning Stone And 18k White Rhodium Plated For Modern White L (#315130910855)	s***t (491) £176.99

Feedback of 90% says it all really.

[Martinminerva 294]

On 2/27/2024 at 6:38 PM, Peckris 2 said:

On 2/27/2024 at 5:04 PM, Martinminerva said:

Just had a look back at that penny to see if any feedback left - no, of course, but noticed this for one of his previous recent "sales": Surprise, surprise!! If someone did "buy" the penny, rather than a shill bid, I would imagine we will be seeing a similar report soon... 😉

FEEDBACK

FEEDBACK	FROM BUYER/PRICE	WHEN
I wouldn’t trust this seller. Never have sent, provided wrong tracking number. Was trying to sell the same ring 2 times. Saphire Solitaire Stunning Stone And 18k White Rhodium Plated For Modern White L (#315130910855)	s***t (491) £176.99

Feedback of 90% says it all really.

The plot thickens slightly... Still no feedback received from the "happy" buyer, but the dodgy seller has left this positive comment below for the buyer... But of course, they could have left feedback for the shill, but wouldn't the shill then "reciprocate"??  Maybe someone has really bought it, and they're either ignorant, in for a major disappointment, or currently pursuing for a refund for item not as listed?!

FEEDBACK

FEEDBACK	LEFT FOR	WHEN
Payed promptly .polite and easy to contact. Rare 1922 Penny Rev 1927 (#315165500518)	Buyer: 0***6 Verified purchase	Past month

[secret santa 2,137]

1 hour ago, Martinminerva said:

Maybe someone has really bought it, and they're either ignorant, in for a major disappointment, or currently pursuing for a refund for item not as listed?!

The seller doesn't own the reverse pictured so heaven knows what was sold, if anything. 

[SilverAge3 58]

Got removed

[Martinminerva 294]

3 hours ago, SilverAge3 said:

Got removed

Apparently not. It completed and "sold" for £450, and the seller has left feedback as mentioned above. None of that could have happened if it was removed - unless something can be removed after the event, but I don't believe it can. A sale can be cancelled, of course...

Here's the link again: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315165500518?itmmeta=01HQ4BZS9A4NM7ZVFA9MG6MAZ0&hash=item496153e466:g:y9gAAOSwvNFl04mN&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4N7kipPiTz0BCXQMgWC6iSMHj%2F5zvSQuQxWjY2cu6yNpjIZ%2F525P%2FMzwhnjKHRdVzwKOh6%2FxD6k4m96TMefoC3i%2FZ2un8azd78R6UEDf2IuGAYr0HhlODfACMlsManI4g1BRVpGQ5Sq39AMYB3bjQ5wmJK2xzvaT1gCcKIVsvA3uVJ8yJrk51DdWtXHwbQQI8xiym02pABGTJhbO165Zxo9HC4Zs5OB9xVhJ%2FunFcmFvno8bmwJUwd9jETHNc%2Bywt3%2Bkx7mF%2BLRWFiUYuLO2T%2FUNKhZ%2F9BZwQh8JWTUektfo|tkp%3ABk9SR96U_4u5Yw

[PWA 1967 2,044]

On 11/3/2023 at 3:34 PM, PWA 1967 said:

This is a disgrace ,i sold the coin as an altered date on facebook and the buyer re sold as an altered date on eBay.

Now this clown has decided to try and have someone over as genuine.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266487532448?hash=item3e0be50ba0:g:GIIAAOSw65xlRNRf&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwDKw%2Fdk1UJGufEcBK%2FHmtR34Tpcipq5SaM0Tvk4bm%2FIcXFCILu2ldfG6pQRQhp2iU7txJHl3pnNyQK7H9ecCe5dAjrWYi9BVkzsjbF3iHXjVjcYGTCjPNyF7gSQRAFEsucsR8hkFqFp7jJxhi%2FH0SIZHVGvYDlG7Hz2ftZkpihzd79jv96zRooBdjWl%2BPqHDfD8yIaHucgRcq4RzJS%2BQS7PSqtun1voQMnuBUYuxzl5dO8%2BKLoTdplXTtgqzJquKxg%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9r4_tzyYg

👎

 

Now back with the original person i sold it to.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126363259683?itmmeta=01HR8BS0TMEWMNMHGZ87Y2NN81&hash=item1d6bd65323:g:1uQAAOSwpmRl54AG

 

[Peckris 2 2,102]

13 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

Now back with the original person i sold it to.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126363259683?itmmeta=01HR8BS0TMEWMNMHGZ87Y2NN81&hash=item1d6bd65323:g:1uQAAOSwpmRl54AG

 

Disgraceful. 4 over 5? Yes, if I own a 1959 penny or a 1968 halfcrown...

[PWA 1967 2,044]

27 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

Disgraceful. 4 over 5? Yes, if I own a 1959 penny or a 1968 halfcrown...

It is an altered date with the 5 changed to a 4 ,he describes it right this time ,rather than the seller previously who was trying to sell it as a genuine 1843.

[secret santa 2,137]

I bought this coin as a forgery in November 1986 for £14 and sold it as such a few years ago for £30.

[jelida 1,243]

9 hours ago, secret santa said:

I bought this coin as a forgery in November 1986 for £14 and sold it as such a few years ago for £30.

With a provenance of this quality it’s got to be worth well into three figures……..😁

Jerry

[Rob 3,106]

Not ebay, but it transcends this dubious online establishment. An email landed in my inbox today offering coins, watches and other items. Coins section attached.

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The 50p might be worth it if it's a Charles I.

Edited March 21 by Rob

[secret santa 2,137]

Trotters ??? - I think the name gives it away Rodders.