1 Penny's halved

[Citizen H]

3 x short cross. 

1 x long cross

for me I would struggle if it was a whole penny.. what chance as halved penny. 

am I right to think I can make out Henry on the first 2 ?

As always many...Many thanks for casting your eyes over them for me.    

[Coys55]

Firstly, all short cross pennies have the name HENRICVS on the obverse even though they cover the reigns of Henry II, Richard, John and Henry III. The coins are divided into eight classes using a number of distinguishing factors and thereby into date and king order. 

Short cross pennies are my main field of interest so I'll have a go:

 

The first reverse reads AN.ON.NO

That and the style of the portrait means it can only be Iohan (moneyer), Norwich (Mint), so Class 5, circa 1206-7, King John. I'm not sure of the sub-class, but the obverse letters (EX together and type of X) would indicate 5b1 or 5b3) as possiblilies.The full reverse legend would be +IOHAN.ON.NOR

 

The second is a bit more difficult, but I think it reads ERD:ON:C (at first I thought it was ERN, but that doesn't make sense).

That would make the moneyer and mint Roberd, Canterbury. The colons either side of ON mean that it is almost certainly class 4a* under King Richard. The full reverse legend would be +ROBERD:ON:CAN

 

The third is much more difficult. The reverse legend is OR+ and that's about all I can read, so you have the last two letters of the mint.

That would indicate Norwich or Northampton mints. The obverse portrait indicates an early type, so class 1,2 or 3, which rules out Norwich. So I'd say it's Northampton, which also rules out class 2. I think that the mint signature of NOR limits the possible moneyers to Reinald, Walter, Willelm, Ravl or Roberd. I think the first letter of the moneyer could be a W or R, which won't help.

The forth is long cross and not really my field of interest, although I do have a few in my collection.

[Coys55]

I decided to have a quick look at the long cross after all.

I think the reverse legend is ERO/NEV, so the full legend would be REN/ERO/NEV/ERW (RENER ON EVERW)

That would make it moneyer Rener, York mint. Class IIIb-IIIc

Edited October 28 by Coys55

[Coinery]

Excellent stuff! 👏👏👏👏

[Coys55]

Sticking my neck out even further, looking again at the third short cross I think that the first letter of the moneyer isn't an R (it doesn't look at all like the R of NOR), but it looks (more) like a W. Then the letter before the cut, which would probably be the third letter in the moneyer's name) looks like the foot of an L. So that leaves Walter and Willelm, with Willelm class 1a or 1b being the most likely because the L of Walter usually occurs in the second quarter of the coin rather than the first. Oh and it's Henry II.

I don't think I can get much further with this one...

Edited October 28 by Coys55

[Citizen H]

On 10/28/2025 at 2:45 PM, Coys55 said:

Sticking my neck out even further, looking again at the third short cross I think that the first letter of the moneyer isn't an R (it doesn't look at all like the R of NOR), but it looks (more) like a W. Then the letter before the cut, which would probably be the third letter in the moneyer's name) looks like the foot of an L. So that leaves Walter and Willelm, with Willelm class 1a or 1b being the most likely because the L of Walter usually occurs in the second quarter of the coin rather than the first. Oh and it's Henry II.

I don't think I can get much further with this one...

Thank you its been a great help, I seriously didn't think It would be possible to have any further information with just half a Penny, I will page these with all the information supplied, many Many thanks for all the time you have spent working with my challenges,  its really appreciated. Kind rgds "H"      

Edited November 2 by Citizen H