1965 sixpence dies 1B (D of DEI to a gap)

[Varietalis 20]

A stubborn gap for me has been the 1965 sixpence dies 1B (D of DEI to a gap).  So I'm putting the call out there, should anyone have one to sell please PM me.  I'm thinking in the £30 to £60 range, depending on grade. 

[DaveG38 401]

On 9/9/2023 at 12:04 PM, Varietalis said:

A stubborn gap for me has been the 1965 sixpence dies 1B (D of DEI to a gap).  So I'm putting the call out there, should anyone have one to sell please PM me.  I'm thinking in the £30 to £60 range, depending on grade. 

I first started looking for one, around 1998, 5 years after I rekindled my interest in coins. I finally got one in 2021 , together with the other varieties of Eliz II sixpences, in an auction. Cost, allowing for rarity and pro-rata with other coins was around £20, including commission and postage. Some years ago, on here there was a collector named Gary (D?), who only collected 20thC and who sold his collection in one go, rather than split it. I don't know who bought it, and what happened to it, but the set of 6d's I bought seemed to correlate very well with those from his collection, so maybe I got the benefit of the eventual split up?

Anyway, I'm afraid that I don't have a spare, and if my experience is anything to go by, it will take quite a time to find one. They don't turn up with dealers nor ebayers, probably because they are a bit obscure, and so it isn't easy to find one in the usual way. For the rarer 1964 variety, I found that grubbing through boot fair pots was the answer, so maybe this would work for the 1965 one. Best of luck. 

[Varietalis 20]

I'm encouraged that you found the 1964 (D of DEI to a bead) rarer as I managed to buy this on ebay in 2021 for £12.  I thought I'd nabbed the '65 on ebay just last week, but it turned out to be a mirage as the seller had uploaded the rev and obv photos from different coins.

[Peckris 2 2,102]

Do you have this 1964?

[Varietalis 20]

Yes, I do have the 1964 D of DEI to a bead.  At £12 definitely one of my better ebay finds.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/199102446@N05

 

[Peckris 2 2,102]

3 hours ago, Varietalis said:

Yes, I do have the 1964 D of DEI to a bead.  At £12 definitely one of my better ebay finds.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/199102446@N05

 

I was thinking more of the I of GRATIA missing (die fill).

[Varietalis 20]

No, don't have that.  I see one was sold by LC (part lot 774, auction 157, 2017).  Same coin I wonder?

[Martinminerva 294]

30 minutes ago, Varietalis said:

I see one was sold by LC (part lot 774, auction 157, 2017).  Same coin I wonder?

If your lot and auction numbers are correct, they were halfcrowns, not sixpences...

[DaveG38 401]

On 9/10/2023 at 6:30 PM, Varietalis said:

I'm encouraged that you found the 1964 (D of DEI to a bead) rarer as I managed to buy this on ebay in 2021 for £12.  I thought I'd nabbed the '65 on ebay just last week, but it turned out to be a mirage as the seller had uploaded the rev and obv photos from different coins.

Whilst we are on 1964 sixpences, have you found the two varieties of the more common obverse 3 type? One has a thick rim, whilst the other has a thinner one. 

[Peckris 2 2,102]

5 hours ago, Varietalis said:

No, don't have that.  I see one was sold by LC (part lot 774, auction 157, 2017).  Same coin I wonder?

Even if your lot number was correct, it wouldn't be the same coin - I've had mine for many years! I bought it as an ordinary 64 6d and noticed the missing character.

[Varietalis 20]

On 9/13/2023 at 9:25 PM, DaveG38 said:

Whilst we are on 1964 sixpences, have you found the two varieties of the more common obverse 3 type? One has a thick rim, whilst the other has a thinner one. 

Yes, I have the thicker rim obv of the 1964.  This seems relatively common.

On the 1965 sixpence 1B, I see that one was sold by LC for £55 in 2015 as part of the Bill Pugsley Collection.  

I'll increase my offer to £40 - £70 should anyone be tempted to part with theirs.

 

[Varietalis 20]

On 9/10/2023 at 4:02 PM, DaveG38 said:

I first started looking for one, around 1998, 5 years after I rekindled my interest in coins. I finally got one in 2021 , together with the other varieties of Eliz II sixpences, in an auction. Cost, allowing for rarity and pro-rata with other coins was around £20, including commission and postage. Some years ago, on here there was a collector named Gary (D?), who only collected 20thC and who sold his collection in one go, rather than split it. I don't know who bought it, and what happened to it, but the set of 6d's I bought seemed to correlate very well with those from his collection, so maybe I got the benefit of the eventual split up?

Anyway, I'm afraid that I don't have a spare, and if my experience is anything to go by, it will take quite a time to find one. They don't turn up with dealers nor ebayers, probably because they are a bit obscure, and so it isn't easy to find one in the usual way. For the rarer 1964 variety, I found that grubbing through boot fair pots was the answer, so maybe this would work for the 1965 one. Best of luck. 

Gap filled.