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The one with the large hole is not a coin but a Rechenpfennig, originally used on counting frames like a European abacus until the Arabs kindly gave us the mathematical concept of zero.  Later on they were used as card counters and were often based on real coins but yours is too far gone to recognise. It looks to be by Christof Lauer of Nuremberg so, early to mid C19th. 

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Do you think these might both be the same thing bagerap? Certainly seems similar here, to me:





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