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I have an Edward halfpenny ,London mint with the obverse legend EWARDUS REX .I can't find any info on it ,and I was wondering if this was a debased continental copy .I doubt I will be able to put any pics up ,but I might try and scan it if needed .Didnt cost much ,and its not a great grade , but I do like to be able to put a label to these things .
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3 hours ago, argentumandcoins said:
Some of the more recent stuff is making stupid money IMHO.
The hype around the Kew 50p has sent the 2009 proof set prices through the roof (typically in excess of £200 in salerooms). The 2010 sets onwards are all fetching good money too. As a dealer I worry that the new collectors are focussed entirely on the tat that RM produce each year and real coin collectors are dropping off. Just my opinion based on observations.
at the turn of the year ,the 2009 sets were going for nearer the £300 mark .I sold mine a few weeks ago for £215 ,which was still a decent mark up from the £39.95 I paid RM for it .The prices are dropping slowly , but the demand still seems to be there .I agree that new collectors don't seem to be able to see past the modern shiny commemorative coins .I am admin on a coin group on FB ,and have had a few discussions with so called experts about the investment value and so called rarity of the decimal commemoratives .I cant possibly see how a kew gardens 50p ,of which all are still available and 99% are in high grade can maintain a £65-75 price .Especially when the 1992 EEC 50p with half the mintage and a large percentage have been withdrawn from circulation are only selling for £55 .
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On 7/31/2017 at 6:32 PM, hibernianscribe said:
Another one of those coins the seller doesn't know anything about!
It's got twelve bids already.
he has relisted saying that he has been told by another ebayer that it is a repro .Might have been an honest mistake after all.
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I have a few of these that I had picked up over the years .Including a nice 2p with a lot of build up on it .Didn't think they would be worth the hassle of trying to sell though.
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The middle shield shows it is a more recent restrike .
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If it is in relatively good condition , then it will probably be a restrike .They were still minting them up till 2000 if i recall rightly.Nearly 380 million have been minted . You can normally tell by the shape of the shield whether it is an early restrike or a later one .A picture would help.
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Not a coin , but got a nice condition clydesdale bank fiver from 1996 in my change last month .They have been withdrawn from circulation for a good while , but I happily pocketed it .
Obviously not been circulating for 21 years .
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13.6 grams .non magnetic .It has the right die combination ,but has less ridges on the milling on the edge.
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2 hours ago, Rob said:
A ridge around the rim is often seen and is due to a small gap between the flan and collar which allows a small amount of metal flow into the gap. That doesn't mean anything regarding whether it is a forgery or not.
Thanks for the info .That explains it .
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33 minutes ago, Rob said:
Zinc's density is only about 75% that of copper and nickel, so the weight would be even lighter unless the physical dimensions increased proportionally.
As I said ,the rim does seem to be slightly thicker (not sure if the rest of the coin is also the same ) .It would be nice if it could be verified as one of his ,as he was reasonably local to me ,but it seems a lot more was known about his later florins enterprise than his earlier works lol .
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24 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:
You might find this of interest Mick and sorry i cant put the link up .....you may of already read it
Milled edges and counterfeit florins.
I know it says florins but also half crowns ,just type it in google.
Its from the BNJ 1968 and may be of some interest as about James Steele.
Yes, I have read that .there is less ridge milling on mine as well .On first viewing ,there is nothing about the coin that would make you think it is a fake ,except the colour and tone .under a lens ,there still isnt any real obvious signs of it being fake either .the only noticeable discrepency is a slight ridge round part of the rim on one side (possibly done when the milling was applied) Its a very well made counterfeit .
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25 minutes ago, Sleepy said:
Probably German Silver then (Copper 60%, nickle 20% and zinc 20%).
If it is ,then it corresponds with the article .what would it do to the weight though .would it correspond with the slight weight difference or would there be more of a discrepancy?
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3 hours ago, Rob said:
If it is nickel it will be magnetic.
Non magnetic
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6 hours ago, Rob said:
Possibly not if his were made in nickel. You would be looking at something which was about 1.1g light assuming the dimensions were correct. Densities for Cu and Ni are nearly the same, so only the 50% silver component would be reduced by a factor of 8.91/10.49
It does appear to have a slightly thicker rim .nothing really noticeable till you lay it side by side with an authentic one .
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6 hours ago, Rob said:
Possibly not if his were made in nickel. You would be looking at something which was about 1.1g light assuming the dimensions were correct. Densities for Cu and Ni are nearly the same, so only the 50% silver component would be reduced by a factor of 8.91/10.49
It was quoted that his were made of nickel or German silver .
from the article .
The mention of machinery (rather than moulds) points to the likelihood that the method of manufacture was that used in another enterprise of the same James Steele, with Robert Ramsay, from 1927 to 1930—when they were detected through the superabundance of coins bearing the same date. Halfcrowns dated 1920 and 1921 were then made from nickel 'or German silver'; the charge was of having a puncheon, four dies, an electrotyping machine, a rolling machine, an edging machine, a charcoal stove, an annealing box, electro-plating tanks, frames, an hydraulic press, and an ejecting machine . . . 'These misdirected geniuses had perfected what was virtually a miniature Scottish Mint'.7 In the early nineteen-sixties this remained the only successful case in which counterfeiters had struck pressed sheet metal in the same manner as the Royal Mint.
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13.6 grams .definite forgery , but is it one of James Steele's ?
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On 9/14/2012 at 0:20 PM, DaveG38 said:
Personally, I regard the kind of varieties displayed by the 1957 halfpenny as appropriate to the category of 'minor varieties' as opposed to 'micro'. For what it's worth, I feel that the term 'micro' should be reserved for the genuinely microscopic differences that occur. At the risk of plugging my own book, here's my quote from the 'silver' one, which perfectly illustrates what I mean.
'Whilst researching this book, I came across an extraordinary design issue, which I had never heard of before, but which can be regarded as leading to micro-varieties (as if minor types are not enough!). In the Coin Monthly magazine of December 1977, there is an article by J.C.Rudge entitled ‘The 19 Varieties of the 1949 Shilling’, which talks about the successful prosecution of a Mr. James Steele of Edinburgh. This individual was found guilty of forging excellent quality florins, in part at least, because the Royal Mint were able to show that his coins, whilst superbly forged, had errors in the number of ‘nicks’ in the edge milling. Apparently, the Mint declined to provide information about this means of validating their coins on security grounds, suggesting that the number of nicks could be regarded as a kind of ‘mint mark’ in order to validate the year they were produced. In a feat of truly heroic study, J.C.Rudge set about analysing these nicks for the silver series i.e. the sixpence, shilling, florin and halfcrown (I’m not sure about crowns), publishing his results in the British Numismatic Journal for 1968. The 1977 Coin Monthly article concluded that the 1949 Shilling has at least 19 varieties based on the number of edge nicks. Multiply this typical figure by all the silver coin denominations and dates for the 20th Century and the number of micro-varieties based on the number of ‘nicks’ will be truly staggering.'
In my view, the use of the term 'heroic' is entirely appropriate for the work done to establish these micro types, but as I say, I don't think it likely that anybody would want to try and collect them all. Now I've said this, I guess somebody on here will pop up and say that they've got a complete set of 1949 shillings!
Was an interesting article ,He also counterfeited 1920 and 21 halfcrowns in 1927-30 .I have recently bought what I believe to be one of his counterfeits .The article doesn't say much about them except they were made from nickel .
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18 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said:
OOps sorry lads I thought most of you would have one, but I must say when a bid is placed so early on, it attracts attention anyway.
I havn't got one yet .but I'm in no hurry .will let this one pass ....probably.
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26 minutes ago, scott said:
rares don't always get noticed though, bagged a few for peanuts in the past.
lower grade ones can easily be ignored , I have picked up a couple myself in the past .
EWARDUS REX halfpenny
in British Hammered
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yes , no D .Thats why i'm thinking a continental copy.