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    24 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

    You might find this of interest Mick and sorry i cant put the link up .....you may of already read it :)

    Milled edges and counterfeit florins.

    I know it says florins but also half crowns ,just type it in google.

    Its from the BNJ 1968 and may be of some interest as about James Steele.

    Yes, I have read that .there is less ridge milling on mine as well .On first viewing ,there is nothing about the coin that would make you think it is a fake ,except the colour and tone .under a lens ,there still isnt any real obvious signs of it being fake either .the only noticeable discrepency is a slight ridge round part of the rim on one side (possibly done when the milling was applied) Its a very well made counterfeit .

     

  4. Posted

    6 hours ago, Rob said:

    Possibly not if his were made in nickel. You would be looking at something which was about 1.1g light assuming the dimensions were correct. Densities for Cu and Ni are nearly the same, so only the 50% silver component would be reduced by a factor of 8.91/10.49

    It does appear to have a slightly thicker rim .nothing really noticeable till you lay it side by side with an authentic one .

     

  5. Posted

    6 hours ago, Rob said:

    Possibly not if his were made in nickel. You would be looking at something which was about 1.1g light assuming the dimensions were correct. Densities for Cu and Ni are nearly the same, so only the 50% silver component would be reduced by a factor of 8.91/10.49

    It was quoted that his were made of nickel or German silver .

    from the article .

    The mention of machinery (rather than moulds) points to the likelihood that the method of manufacture was that used in another enterprise of the same James Steele, with Robert Ramsay, from 1927 to 1930—when they were detected through the superabundance of coins bearing the same date. Halfcrowns dated 1920 and 1921 were then made from nickel 'or German silver'; the charge was of having a puncheon, four dies, an electrotyping machine, a rolling machine, an edging machine, a charcoal stove, an annealing box, electro-plating tanks, frames, an hydraulic press, and an ejecting machine . . . 'These misdirected geniuses had perfected what was virtually a miniature Scottish Mint'.7 In the early nineteen-sixties this remained the only successful case in which counterfeiters had struck pressed sheet metal in the same manner as the Royal Mint.

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    On 9/14/2012 at 0:20 PM, DaveG38 said:

    Personally, I regard the kind of varieties displayed by the 1957 halfpenny as appropriate to the category of 'minor varieties' as opposed to 'micro'. For what it's worth, I feel that the term 'micro' should be reserved for the genuinely microscopic differences that occur. At the risk of plugging my own book, here's my quote from the 'silver' one, which perfectly illustrates what I mean.

    'Whilst researching this book, I came across an extraordinary design issue, which I had never heard of before, but which can be regarded as leading to micro-varieties (as if minor types are not enough!). In the Coin Monthly magazine of December 1977, there is an article by J.C.Rudge entitled ‘The 19 Varieties of the 1949 Shilling’, which talks about the successful prosecution of a Mr. James Steele of Edinburgh. This individual was found guilty of forging excellent quality florins, in part at least, because the Royal Mint were able to show that his coins, whilst superbly forged, had errors in the number of ‘nicks’ in the edge milling. Apparently, the Mint declined to provide information about this means of validating their coins on security grounds, suggesting that the number of nicks could be regarded as a kind of ‘mint mark’ in order to validate the year they were produced. In a feat of truly heroic study, J.C.Rudge set about analysing these nicks for the silver series i.e. the sixpence, shilling, florin and halfcrown (I’m not sure about crowns), publishing his results in the British Numismatic Journal for 1968. The 1977 Coin Monthly article concluded that the 1949 Shilling has at least 19 varieties based on the number of edge nicks. Multiply this typical figure by all the silver coin denominations and dates for the 20th Century and the number of micro-varieties based on the number of ‘nicks’ will be truly staggering.'

    In my view, the use of the term 'heroic' is entirely appropriate for the work done to establish these micro types, but as I say, I don't think it likely that anybody would want to try and collect them all. Now I've said this, I guess somebody on here will pop up and say that they've got a complete set of 1949 shillings! :D

    Was an interesting article ,He also counterfeited 1920 and 21 halfcrowns  in 1927-30 .I have recently bought what I believe to be one of his counterfeits .The article doesn't say much about them except they were made from nickel .

     

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    37 minutes ago, Bernie said:

    There is a uncommon penny in the ebay.uk auction site. I have placed a bid on it hoping that it won't get pulled. Nearly every time a rare coin appears on ebay it gets withdrawn. The possible reason for this could be that the coin appears to have little interest because of bidders habits of not bidding to the last minute. I suspect that the sellers get offers to buy before the auction ends. I have no intention of winning the coin that I mention but hope that collectors wishing to own the coin for their collection get a fair crack at it. The expectation of hoping that know one else will recognise the rarer coins is ridiculous, so my advice is to believe that many people will immediately recognise the variety and place a bid, even if a low bid, just to show your interest.

    A hint would be nice Bernie .there is a few on there lol

     

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