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Cliff

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  1. The 9/9 on the 1945 Penny is an accepted rare variety (when compared with the standard coin), with the additional 4/4 being rarer still.  Both these examples are mentioned in David Groom's book.

    I attach pics of my 1945 coin which displays both 9/9 AND 5/5 and, as I can't find any reference to an overstruck 5, wondered if anyone else has come across an example?  Can anyone please suggest how the two apparent "overstrikes" may have come about?  The 5/5 is not mentioned in Dave's book.

    Regards

    Cliff

    1945B (F231a) Double 9 & 5.jpg

    1945B (F231a) Obv.jpg

    1945B (F231a) Rev.jpg


  2. Crikey! - Tad naïve of me (?) regarding identification of my coin. Have now done a bit of reading up on these Edward I, II Pennies and hadn't realized just how many variants there are!  Reckon I need to reach for my reading specs, open a fresh bottle and see what I can make of them all. 


  3. I have a hammered silver Penny acquired as an Edward 1 coin some years back.  On doing a bit of sorting recently, I see that it appears to have a bifoliate crown and, with it also being a London mint, my understanding is that makes it probably Edward 2???  However, if I'm understanding correctly, I think some of the later Edward 1s also had bifoliate crowns, with two leaves at each end, which replaced the earlier trifoliate coins with three leaves.  Apparently there were four types which were allocated between Class 10C to 10F.

    Please can anyone either agree or put me right with my understanding (mostly gleaned from a Coincraft's 2000 Standard Catalogue of English and UK Coins.  Any help in correctly identifying the attached would also be much appreciated.

    Edw 1 Obv 2.jpg

    Edw 1 Rev 1.jpg


  4. On ‎11‎/‎07‎/‎2016 at 5:58 AM, Nick1697 said:

    What does everyone think about this Aethelred penny.  It sort of looks too perfect for a coin of its age. Is it real or is it a modern fake?

    United Kingdom 1 1006-17 Æthelred II Last Small Cross Penny London .jpg

    United Kingdom 1 1006-17 Æthelred II Last Small Cross Penny London.jpg

    Rotographic's "England's Striking History" explains that many Aethelred II coins were used as Danegelt payments "which explains why so many English coins of his reign are found today in hoards located by Scandinavian metal detectorists".  I've seen some good examples (different Moneyers) of these coins and suggest their apparent almost "uncirculated" condition may be the result of them having been hoarded almost straight from off the Viking long- ship?  

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  5. 3 hours ago, bagerap said:

    Some monkey on ebay has knocked off the copy to one of my items, word for word. I can't report it through the normal ebay channels because my listing is on Etsy. 

    Pardon my ignorance but what's Etsy please?


  6. BP1865Bd????? as promised.

    Thanks for the response Nordle11, I've been busy this week so haven't been able to reply sooner or have a proper look but should be able to find some time this week.

    I don't know if it was of my doing but your response and my two pics of the second 1865/3 (that I'd temporally given as BP1865Bd?????) seemed to have merged into the one post and showed two of the first batch and the two pics of the second coin (on this PC at any rate).  Cack handed me or the result of a simultaneous transmission? 


  7. I have a couple of 1865 5/3 Pennies that I am having trouble splitting by their Gouby definitions and would much appreciate any help in this matter please.

    I note that John Jerrams,on page 38 of his Satin Reference book, says "It is worth noting that normally overdates and overletters are rarely as well defined as one would perhaps wish for!  It is usual for perhaps only a couple of characteristics of the underlying figure or letter, to be sharply defined."  it is with John's statement very much in mind that I've allocated the attached as BP 1865Bc and would welcome your comments please.

    With the same train of thought I've allocated my second example (sent separately) as BP1865Bd but admit to having gone round numerous trains of thought before coming up with this!

    Regards to all (and hope I've kept this with the Penny section?)

    1865Bc F15 5 over 3 date 3.jpg

    1865Bc F15 5 over 3 date 1.jpg

    1865Bc F15 5 over 3 date 3.jpg


  8. I was the recipient of a 'tip off' and was glad of it. I'd put a coin up for sale and was quickly contacted by a potential buyer querying my pics. On examination I was mortified to see that I'd mixed pics from two different coins. I was then able to 'end' the sale before bidding started and too much confusion had been caused.

    The gentleman (unknown to me before this episode) was correct in what he'd said, kindly contacted me privately to say it, and saved me much potential embarrassment.


  9. Sorry I did'nt reply sooner , I've been out bowling this evening . In answer to you question Cliff , I read about it in an on line price guide a couple of years back, I cannot remember which. the Wavy and straight E,s can be found in closed 1903s, and in most years between 1897 and 1905. Pic. shows two 1900 pennies, with some degree of ware , and still seem to be clearly one or the other type , so the difference must be due to different dies, or ware to the dies Terry

    Thanks for the response Terry. I'd obviously misunderstood and had somehow got it that these wavy/straight Es were specific to the 1903 Pennies! Cliff


  10. Hi . Richard, I see you have an 1903 open 3 up for sale on e.bay with the straight bottomed E. Having now looked at a few more of the type , I am of the opinion that the wavy type are less common, though none seem to show a very pronounced curving. But before you sell, you might take a look at the Die rotation, as I have found one with the correct alignment, and two with about a 15 degree anticlockwise rotation. Its a surprise to see two variations on such a rare penny. Anyone else who has one, please let us know. Terry

    Lo Terry. The straight and wavy Es are new to me, are they documented anywhere please? Is it just the 1903 open 3 that can have the two types of E or can the closed 3 also have either?

    I have a close 3 (open 9) that shows, what I am taking to be, a wavy E (attached). I also have an open 3 (closed 9) that I take is the straight bottomed E? I think my open 3 example displays the 15 degree anticlockwise rotation you mention. I'll attempt to picture separately. Cliff.

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