Michael-Roo
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I'm on my cell phone... so the image is smallish...
however it looks to me to be a normal 3 F-42 ......
Not a half-penny date...
Not an open 3, nor a slender 3...
No indication of a die number...
No, I didn't mean the date. Have a look at the right hand side of the obverse - do you see a very much larger than usual gap between the teeth and the linear circle? I've rotated the image the correct way up, and it's still there. Particularly noticeable by REG.F
Once pointed out it seems very obvious indeed. Quite unusual.
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Hi John.
You're quite correct. It simply means no sales information is recorded for examples in those grades. It usually applies to common modern coins.
Did you decide yet on which series you will collect?
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I see you've put your coin on ebay!
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You'll be detecting in the Mystery then?
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Where about in Liverpool are you detecting?
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Yeah. Unfortunately, its quite pitted, isn't it.
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Looks quite a nice example, i'm after one around that grade to replace my worn one. The price jumps quite significantly between the two though.
I bought that one on ebay for £23 around three years ago.
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Yours doesn't look so bad. As you say, its a little worn but, clearly, it had been a nice strong strike.
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Just had a look through the Nicholson collection. Pretty amazing that there's upto a 50% weight variation between some examples.
I'd imagine during the minting process it was hard to estimate how many pieces could be produced from a given amount of copper owing to this.
To the untrained eye (me included) it also makes it pretty hard to judge the coins authenticity against some of the better under or overweight counterfeit pieces.
Here's one of the heavier examples I have. 28.5-29mm. 11.9g.
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Nope. What is it?
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Although your coin is certainly at the top end it is still within the accepted diameter and weight ranges for the 1694s. I have several of these heavier examples too. I don't think our coins are particularly unusual.
Just in case you're not familiar with Nicholson's notes (though you probably are!), here's the link.
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Thanks for your input Scott.
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The biggest diameter piece I have is also 27.5. Although they are not supposed to have been struck in a collar, mine has remarkably sharp edges for one struck without restraint. Nicholson 172 applies in this case.
Yes. Thank you Rob. I see the Nicholson 172 is the same diameter. Mine is much more 'irregular' in shape though? Do you have anything to add regarding the no stops and E over B?
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From the photo both looks as E's to me. Punches can be quite impossible to compare when the condition is poor. If a B punch was used it should probably look like the B of Britannia as used for the reverse.
The E/B in Rex does indeed match the B in Britannia. Please compare with the St. James auction coin.
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Of course!
Paulus, you're right. 1790s token halfpennies are a great suggestion. So much social and political history to explore. In fact, your mentioning them has me reaching for the tray right now…...
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Paulus:
You're right on both counts. 1887 silver can still be found at bargain prices.
In higher grades the 1807 halfpenny is harder to come by than the 1806. However, at £20, your 1806 was a good buy.
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Don't worry about it Charlie. Everyone of us bought 1887 silver when we were starting out. Even the members who now spend squilions on coins.
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Nice.
Be sure to check though what you have from your Grandfather for rarities. Wreath crowns. H and KN pennies. 1946 and 49 threepenny bits etc. If you find you have a 1905 half crown your Grandpa was a canny bloke
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Here's a photo of the reverse. Sorry, its not the greatest pic ever uploaded on the forum. However, I thought it worth adding to show how prominent the stop after Britannia is compared with the lack of stops on the obverse. Also: look at that border/rim. This is a dump halfpenny. Have you ever seen one so broad?!?!
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Just had a look.
Maybe a few minor differences? The ties certainly seem to be different. Possibly a slight difference in the placing of the letters too? The border on my coin is obviously much broader too.
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I have to be honest Stuart, die matching always leaves me a bit puzzled. They all look the same to me
.However, I'll go back now and look at them side by side. Any thoughts re the broad flan?
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Welcome Charlie.
I agree. Nearly VF. A nice coin to start the hobby with. Do you have any others we could take a look at for you?
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Scott, you're usually spot on, but this time I would beg to differ. Look at these two cropped images. The first is the E in Georgius. The second the E in Rex. They are completely different. The second has no trace of an upper horizontal bar or serif.
Edit:
I have no idea why the second image has appeared here upside down. Its the right way up on my desk top!
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That's a really interesting coin! It looks to me as if there's a bottom serif sticking out the bottom loop of the B-shape. If you look at the E in George, that also exhibits B-like qualities, but looks more E-like?I think, in my attempt to edit the post, I've messed up the attachment. Here it is again.
The whole die and/or punches look very tired. So, is it an E with a damaged/curved bottom bar, or a B punch refashioned (for God knows what reason) to make an emergency E? Or B/E?
Food for thought!
The serifs of the E in Georgius do indeed display unusual wee spreads and bends but the corresponding letter in Rex has strong 'B' loops. Exactly the same as the St. James coin.
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