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I picked up this interesting piece of information from a local historian. He is a buff on the Fortescue family of Castle Hill North Devon, and when he heard I was into coins he was keen to tell me that one of the Fortescue family was used as the model for Britannia on the Edward VII Florins and British Trade Dollars.
He has now provided me with a copy of a talk he gave on the subject. I attach a screen shot of the relevant paragraph, but if anyone wants the full talk, PM me and I can send it in .pdf format.
Of course I only have his word for it! If anyone knows any different, please let me know.
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That could be a good shout. My 1723 shilling has damage just at the critical point, but here is the 3 from my much better half crown. I can see that the sixpence 3 appearance could be due to a chunk missing.
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Here is my best example of the later Vic florins - 1852 - for comparison. Shame about the scratches due some previous owner's over zealous cleaning. As is so often the case, they are far less visible in hand - the camera seems to pick them up.
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I was just comparing my various 1723 silver coins when I noticed something odd about the 3 in the sixpence date.
I checked ESC, which mentions a 3 over 0, but this doesn't look anything like that.
Any thoughts?
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My favourite coin in my collection would be the Gothic Crown, but I have posted that many times before.
Second favourite is much more difficult as there are many candidates, but this one is high on the list - 1723 SSC Crown. You see the shillings all the time, but the Crowns are much scarcer.
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Interesting token. I suspect this would come under the heading "Gaming Token" as it loosely resembles the Guineas and half Guineas from the 18th century. Many gaming tokens included advertising on the reverse, though usually a little more subtle than that one!
Probably struck in brass and originally gilded.
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I think I would have to give a split grading - "aF" on the obverse but "nVF" on the reverse.
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OK - in the Phaidon series by Elizabeth Hallam as editor I find I also have "Chronicles of the Wars of the Roses" which covers Richard II in 1377 to Richard III in 1485.
By Publisher Heinemann and collated by Anne Savage there is a great translation of "the Anglo Saxon Chronicles", which covers from the end of the Roman occupation to Henry II. I find this particularly useful as many TV documentaries quote the Anglo Saxon Chronicles in snippets, so it is good to be able to see them in full translation. (The chronicles were written by a series of monks over hundreds of years in old English, and were usually recorded withing only a few years of the actual events, so reasonably contemporaneous.)
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Something is wrong here I think. There shouldn't be any 1838 pennies?
Are you perhaps looking at a halfpenny instead? Both farthings and halfpennies for 1838 exist. (The changeover from Copper to Bronze means the copper halfpenny is larger than the corresponding bronze halfpenny, so an easy mistake to make.)
Check the dimensions and weight of your coin.
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I can see that the treatment has lightened the tone quite a bit, but I don't see any real verdigris, before or after. Have you tried it on obvious verdigris?
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I can't think of any one book that covers the whole lot. I am sure there are plenty. Dorling Kingsley are usually a good publisher for this sort of thing as they do comprehensive but fairly light coverage of their topics, well supported by illustrations and diagrams in colour.
From my own shelves I have picked out two from other publishers that I found useful - both found very cheaply at charity shops:
"The Anglo Saxons" by James Campbell published by Phaidon in 1982.
"Chronicles of the Age of Chivalry" edited by Elizabeth Hallam and published By Salamander in 2000. This latter I think is part of a series - I have seen one on the Anglo Saxon Chronicles and another on the Crusades in the same format.
Both are "Coffee table" style - lots of facts and illustrations without going into huge depth. Easy reading!
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24 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:
OMG, I didn't know that. When did it stop being Spink?
Last year was the first issue under new ownership I think. There was a fair amount of chat about it on here at the time. I know I made sure I had a 2024 copy before the change in case they knackered it!
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Generally referred to as "Toy Money". Produced in the late 19th century for play and education purposes.
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Nice coin!
It is type 1 Rupee and has 19 berries I think. Minted in either Bombay or Madras - I find the books very confusing as to which for this series.
There are several varieties but all broadly of the same value.
More detail here: https://en.numista.com/9718
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I can see the shape you have outlined, but the body of the rider seems to be incuse, which seems unusual?
I don't know of many Ancient coins with the thick border rim, not with a blank reverse.
No further forward I fear.
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I had a few looks, but I couldn't make much sense of this as a coin. The blank reverse is unusual and the detail on the obverse is difficult to make out.
I thought a button, but at 36g that sounds unlikely. Maybe a plaque or insert to a decoration that has then been in the ground for a long time?
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Ah sorry. I didn't scroll far enough up to see the origin of the discussion.
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I think when the message comes up like that it is because the lot has been withdrawn or cancelled by Ebay. If it had sold it would show in the sold listings.
I hope that is the case!
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I have one of those 1721 over 1720 - though in pretty awful condition. I think this is the second one I have had through my hands.
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Not my area, but I would agree. Leaving aside the details on the coin there are two other red flags: Brand new seller - this is his first sale; he has excluded the supposed grading details from the picture. Shows enough to make you think it has been officially graded but no company or registration info included.
I hope no one falls for it.
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Welcome to the forum @blake
I don't know about the rest of your coins, but that one is definitely a replica. Gold washed copper and sadly virtually worthless. Real gold does not tarnish, so that is the biggest giveaway even before we look at the low quality of the manufacture.
If you have others you are more confident of, please do post. Try to crop the pictures so we get the detail of the coin not acres of dull grey.
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Welcome back @seuk. I am sorry to hear about Gary, though I did not know him. He made a wise and altruistic decision in passing on his collection intact before he passed.
Is/was the website I linked to above yours or his? Is it likely that it will ever be resurrected? It was a wonderful and powerful addition to our knowledge of counterfeit coins.
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Wow! Well found!
If you are a member on that site, feel free to add a copy of my picture if you think it would be appreciated.
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Here is one that is probably a transportation token, but because the message is less clear, one cannot be certain:
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Gothic Bronze Colony
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Yes, @wlewisiii has it right I think. They were made in huge numbers during the 19th century. Most of the British Indian coins of that period feature the Gothic portrait of Queen Victoria.
In that condition only of interest rather than value. Even high grade examples don't go for a great deal of money.