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On 9/5/2023 at 2:51 PM, Rob said:
Or one not on the list. In the absence of any documentary evidence, does it match the image?
looks like it's from an auction catalogue, Rob. Do you have details as to which one? Thanks.
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5 hours ago, pies said:
Yep,
OK thanks.
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9 hours ago, pies said:
Only top one could be mine as i purchased it in 2014
As Rob says, yours was the "PENNEY" spelling error, as opposed to the rare date. We found yours in this thread, but for whatever reason Richard couldn't properly load the reverse pic (scroll down to example 4 of the "PENNEY" errors) in his rarest pennies website.
Does the date example with the bright blue background, belong to you?
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On 8/30/2023 at 9:18 PM, Taikonaut said:
Sad to see the business go without anyone taking over. The Peter Nichols name is a lucrative one. When they took over the business from Peter I seem to recall it was a three way ownership, Geoff, Shirley and a young man probably a son who was into motor bikes? This now leaves Rob Davis as probably the sole professional coin cabinet maker in the UK.
I think that's probably correct. We do lack manual skill in tis country.
Good job Rob is so good, and such a decent boke.
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1 hour ago, Peckris 2 said:
Interesting analysis. I agree that the left have become 'Blairite', i.e. more representative of "big banks, corporations, professions (always teachers, but now also lawyers and doctors)", and that the right has become populist, if by that you mean 'Trumpite'.
However that has little to do with 'cancel culture' which I believe is one of the many culture wars and therefore largely non-political. I'm mostly against it - fatuous and offensive positions should be exposed to view so they can be mocked, rather than cancelled. But I still am no wiser as to what 'woke' actually means.
When in doubt look up
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On 8/28/2023 at 8:04 AM, Iannich48 said:
What an idiot, i bet that he is not smiling now.
He looks so smug, doesn't he.
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3 hours ago, Paddy said:
Anything that undermines the resolve, strength and morale of your enemy is useful to your cause. If Russia decided to invade across Europe now, how many of our present population would actually volunteer to resist them? Compare that to the situation in the last 2 World wars.
Putin is well aware that the British have been the most resolute in resisting tyranny in the past. By taking us out of the equation he makes his ambitions much easier to achieve.
well yes, I take your point, but he must also know that only a tiny minority take wokeism seriously, nor does it ever affect more than a tiny minority.
If Putin did decide to attack across Europe he'd be annihilated. As for voluntereering, how many of the Russian population would want to take part in a suicide mission?
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On 8/25/2023 at 8:20 PM, Paddy said:
Does anyone else think that the extremes of wokery that are undermining the Western world's entire ethos are also emanating from Russia?
It would be so easy for them to stoke the crazy ideas through social media and stand back to watch the ensuing chaos in glee.
They could be. Or perhaps from the USA.
I'm not convinced Putin has any interest in fanning the flames of wokery.
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3 minutes ago, alfnail said:
Hi Mike, that coin has been sold twice before on ebay in the past 3 months, and by same seller..... previously for over £300 on both occasions. Just a word of warning if you actually bought it, that maybe it won't look so good 'in the hand'. I could be totally wrong, but did think strange that it has been returned twice already.
Thanks Ian - I didn't actually buy it, on the basis I've already got one just as good, if not better, for a lot more.
Could conceivably be a fake.
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Absolute stonking bargain in this condition - link
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56 minutes ago, Rob said:
Does anyone know why the page buttons aren't working on any threads?
Have we had a software change because I had a couple of random request asking if I would accept notifications? I blocked it because they come through automatically as far as I'm aware, or at least have up to now, so either gremlins or someone phishing.
My thread page buttons are working fine. Able to navigate between different pages on different threads, no problem at all.
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2 hours ago, oldcopper said:
Though DNW say on the web that it's been graded by NCG without specifying a grade, now I've received the hard catalogue (£25 - ouch!) that isn't in it.
Some of the collection has been only recently slabbed (as they weren't bought as slabbed), but some of it is not slabbed, including some big items like the silver P.1086. And some coins have been removed from slabs. It seems quite random, and not dependant on date of purchase. It would be interesting to know why.
Yes, it does seem random, as many of the coins aren't slabbed. Some were slabbed years ago and have already gone past the 10 year expiry date, and some have only just been done and have an expiry date of June 2033.I would think done at Noonan's behest after seeking Richardson's permission.
Interesting that the now slabbed 1806/1805, is "top pop" - no doubt because it's the only example there.
Might be worth making an enquiry about the KT3 in the sense of why no further expansion beyond the fact that it was slabbed by NGC. Is it now?
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6 hours ago, Sword said:
Quite. Technology is almost second nature to the young. I have thought about putting cards on my phone so that I don't need to worry about carrying a wallet when exercising but just don't feel comfortable enough to do that in the end. A relative has suggested that I get a smart watch which can do a great number of things like paying and health management but I don't want trade my (vintage look) classic watch (which I am proud of) for a bit of plastic.
I imagine that cash transactions might not last beyond two more generations.
The more purchases that are made online, the less cash will be used.
But if there is s High Street revival, then there will be a commensurate revival in the use of cash.
Oh and don't forget that in some other countries cash is used more than here, and is protected in law.
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3 hours ago, oldcopper said:
One of them went for £2,200 in the Spink Sept 2015 auction, that provenance mentioned in the catalogue, as part of a collection (Andy Scott?). Nice coin in that case, a bit mottled on the reverse, but unfortunately quite a few other coins in that collection were artificially toned. And even worse was in one that I bought, the colour was more like painted on rather than baked in (however they do it!), as even a light dab of a cotton glove to remove a bit of debris resulted in a light brown area of under-copper suddenly appearing amongst all that colour!
Unsurprisingly I was not happy, but rubbing that side on a carpet did make it look better if a little weird, and I sold it soon after. Then it reappeared in another dealer's tray at the LCF a few months later looking vastly "improved"! Poor coin.
The KT3 gilt is interesting - fantastic looking coin. I saw it at St James auction 2014 preview, and this is the only time I had ever seen this, but the coin had been shrink-wrapped, or perhaps "vacuum packed" in a cellophane or clingfilm type plastic skin. I asked Mr Fenton about this and he airily said it was for protection. It only occurred to me afterwards to wonder how you would take it off.
I presume it's not been slabbed still in its plastic skin, though I notice DNW haven't mentioned the slabbing grade in their catalogue. "Unc details - clingfilmed" perhaps!?
It astounds me that many dealers and sellers alike, have still not learned the adverse lessson of using plastic packaging for coins.....
....and that's just plastic envelopes. What you describe above sounds horrendously damaging.
Anyway, thanks for the info.
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4 hours ago, secret santa said:
I've just received the catalogue and it deserves to be prized as a very well illustrated set of coins.
Some fantastic coins in that collection, including 2 of that rather strange 1806/1805 mule.
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Cash is actually increasing in popularity again. Hence there was a fuss at a supermarket recently where only one out of 4 ATM's was working. Customers were queuing.
I think millions are realising what a huge loss it would be if cash disappeared. Not to mention many young people and those hard up, much prefer cash, as they can't overspend.
Also - and I fall into this category - they resent being told what to do.
In the wake of the Nigel Farage debacle, it would seem that a large number of concerns are being de-banked because they deal in cash. Not sure whether they just get told "commercial reasons", or whether they are simply informed up front that from such and such a date, they can no longer pay their takings in cash, and must change in advance to keep their account.
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8 hours ago, alfnail said:
I see that someone got 'suckered' into buying this, it's a 😭shame!
1856 Queen Victoria Copper Penny. High Grade. | eBay
Most likely an enthusiastic but young and naive buyer, Ian. I see a lot of it on facebook.
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11 hours ago, Martinminerva said:
Despite the awful photography of example 20, I'm convinced they're the same coin... Too many of the dings and scratches would seem to match up rather well - angle of lighting might account for why the deep dings on 21 seem much less deep and indistinct on 20. Plus of course the poor resolution and focus!
Fairly moot point anyway, whether there are 20 or 21 recorded specimens (I'm sure there'll be a good few others out there as yet un-spotted), but the fact they appeared on Richard's site sequentially just alerted me to the potential of them being one and the same!
I think it more probable than not, that you are correct. But not definitively so.
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3 hours ago, Kipster said:
I just had a most peculiar conversation on the phone regarding the above. A lady saying her name was Shirley Watts just called me out of the blue, telling me that my coin cabinet order was ready, and if I could arrange for payment to be made. This all stems back to late March this year.
Odd, as the last communication was me sending an email to whoever gave me the dodgy sounding bank details calling them a scammer. I explained what had happened with the request for the payment to a weird sounding bank account and she sounded surprised/concerned at the same time. I said that as the general consensus was that PN had retired, that this was just someone trying it on. The idea that he had retired and wasn't making any more didn't sit well with her.
I have genuinely no idea what to do now. I have rung her back on the number that she called me on, and it goes to an automated phone answering service for a different company altogether. Also, the number she rang me on was the PN number, but it had +44 at the start, not the usual 0. That and the fact that I have already got a second hand one now kind of makes me feel like saying thanks, but not today, but then I don't want them to be £500 up the swannee if they are genuine.
It's all weird.
I'd say that if you never completed an order at the time, and no deposit was paid in advance of the completed work, then it's a scam. My understanding is that the people who took over the Peter Nichols product are based in Nottinghamshire. The fact you had a 44 at the start means that the call is coming from abroad, not in the UK.
Ignore it.
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1 hour ago, secret santa said:
It's a pity that the catalogue doesn't contain a narrative description of Philip Richardson and his collection.
It very much is, I agree. Most named sellers give their own written preview of the factors which started them off in the hobby, what interested them about the area they concentrated on, and why they ultimately decided to sell up. Those who want anonymity tend to call their collections by the area they live in, or some such, eg: the Elstree collection.
Of course, he may be dead, but surely then the collection would be noted as "the late Philip Richardson".
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1 hour ago, Martinminerva said:
I think it was! Specimen 20 and 21 appear to be the same coin... Look especially at the vertical scratch and dings above Britannia's helmet and head. But the photography of spec 20 is not the best!
Hmmm, yes a slight puzzler there. I can see the vertical line above Britannia's helmet which appears to be pretty much identical in both cases. But I can't see the two puncture type dings to the immediate right of them, on example 20. That might be my browser though. Also, as you say, the photography on example 20 is not the best.
You may well be right. See what Richard thinks.
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1 hour ago, oldcopper said:
I don't think gold and early proof sets really count for many collectors - they're now mainly collected by investors from what I can see. Which of us is going to fork out the best part of 100k (or the best part of half a million upwards for a good 1839!) for one of the old proof sets? Especially as you could pick up a nice one for 10-25K 20 years ago.
Anyone seen the Philip Richardson mainly Soho collection now listed on DNW? There's 200 lots on there. Some nice coins....
I notice one anomaly, to do with the gilt 1797 inscribed edge KP5 penny. DNW refer to the coin as a one off, and the inscription was referred to in Peck as a later adulteration in a footnote. Now, whether it is or not I don't know, but In Baldwins 47 (Gregory II) one of these was the front cover coin, in beautiful and brilliant mint state no less. A stunner. However, a more ropey one turned up in their auction a few years later, scratched and edge knocked, but it was given exactly the same provenance as their supposedly unique earlier mint state one. This is the one in DNW.
So either someone bought it in Baldwins 47 (£2,800 hammer), kept it in their pocket for several years, then resold it (£460 hammer!), or more likely there are at least two of these coins in existence, both identically and incusely inscribed. In which case it is more likely that the edge is a contemporary and official addition.
I have now you've pointed out that the coins have been posted. Had a feeling it would be a good collection and was right. Some magnificent items, and a once in a decade (or more) opportunity to obtain a few.
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46 minutes ago, DaveG38 said:
Run of the mill!! The first lots I found were the 1826 and 1831 proof sets - estimated at £60-120k and £35-70k. If they are run of the mill, then my collection must be regarded as meagre and scarcely worth the trouble of collecting. However, I do take your point regarding the rest.
Oh sure - I was only referring to the pennies in the auction, which is why is I posted it on the "More Pennies" thread.
I agree there are some spectacular proof sets
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I note the September LCA catalogue is now out on their website. For the accomplished collector, it's a bit run of the mill to be honest. But for those who aren't quite there, some interesting possibilities.
There's a hgh grade F14 LCW under foot, but with very prominent die cracks. There's also a distinctly suspect slabbed 1863 touted as a proof, but with poor photography.
A F169 is on offer which doesn't appear to be on Richard's rare penny list.
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100% agreed.
Incidentally, where is Richard? Normally logs in several times a day. Last seen Aug 29.