Bronze & Copper Collector

Unless it's a trick of lighting and imaging and not really there; all that I think I see is a hint of the L & the A. Possibly my line is angled incorrectly as all I can claim to see is 2 partial letters. Of course there is always the possibility of a different die variety. Unfortunately we may never be sure.

Blocked die is certainly a possibility.

I've examined the images and I believe the LAUER is on the coin, very faint and very worn. I've tried to both underline and circle the most visible portion, that of the LA of LAUER.

There is only one "Groucho"! Or, as he was introduced on "You Bet Your Life", the quiz show that he hosted. Here he is, the one, the only, Groucho Marx. Groucho Marx of Marx Brothers fame. Although probably most famous on his own in later years.

Interesting.. If it were an overdate, it should be visible under direct visual examination. As I assume from your reply that it is not, then it probably is just a trick of the lighting. Pity.....

Do I detect signs of a possible 6 over a higher 6? Or is it just a trick of the enlargement??

Another image of the obverse.

Reverse

I'm not sure if this has been reported before. An 1860 F-10 penny with a repunched R & I in VICTORIA. Second punch on both is at a slight angle to the first. Additionally, in the image, it appears that the A in VICTORIA is an inverted V. I believe that to be a false impression of the photography. Quite candidly though, I can't really tell if the crossbar of the A is just crud, very faint, or actually missing. Pictures to follow. Your thoughts and opinions please.

Remember the PCGS farthing mule debacle from about 15 years ago??! Rather than admit an error, they essentially created a new variety...

That WAS the joke!

A Classic and so true....

DUH!! Of course you are absolutely CORRECT. That will teach me to do reseaech when I am half asleep. I do have it listed properly in my spreadsheet abd hopefully in my album too. At least that relieves me of any hallucinations I was having regarding any similarities between the 2 coins. Anyway, so long as the images are posted already, Iain, have you come across an 1855 closer colon (much as the 1853 Peck-1503) such as this?thus?? Regards and thanks again.

Regardless of any similarity, could you post images of both sides of your coin?

I checked my 1855 plain tridents and there is one coin that might possibly be a match. More than likely it is my imagination running amok. This coin I had identified about 15 years ago or so and placed separately amongst my 1855s inasmuch as the colon is slightly closer than on others. It does have a slightly "fatter" last 5. Richard, maybe you can compare the colon spacing and see if there is a match there. If so, then that might be an identifier if indeed there is something ornate in the breast plate. If it is just a closer colon spacing, then it is merely a die variety. If indeed, in addition to the colon spacing, there is also a more ornate design on the breastplate, then we have identified a new reverse die. Obviously the ideal situation would be to find a high grade example and either confirm or refute this observation. Again, despite the definite difference in the colon spacing we might be in total fantasy land regarding any design on the breastplate.

Damn auto-correct, I wanted to write "UNgraded".

I concur. IMHO the upgraded coin is more desirable.

Magnificent coin....

Double 00 is both sides affected

Probably gets rejected